English Champions: Jack Broughton "The Father of Boxing"

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  1. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not saying Egan is to blame for this mistification, though. The Complete Art of Boxing, 1788, pages 29-30, contained the same advertisements. Egan simply copied them from this or some other earlier source.
     
  2. Senya13

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    On the other hand, advertisements from London Daily Advertiser dated Nov 22, 1742, April 26, 1742 and May 4, 1742, quoted in The Complete Art of Boxing (pages 24-26), are perfectly legit.

    1742-04-26 The Daily Advertiser (page 2)
    1742-05-04 The Daily Advertiser (page 3)
    1742-11-22 The Daily Advertiser (page 2)
     
  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    The Julian Callender (in England) changed year on March 25th.

    So March 13th 1743 converts to March 24th 1744, which would be a Tuesday. However if you changed year on Janurary the first, like we do now, but otherwise used the same dates, it'd convert to Sunday.

    It's a little odd that the error would happen to fit.
     
  4. Senya13

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    Ok, I figured that out. It should have been March 10, 1744, not March 10, 1743.
    1744-03-10 The Daily Advertiser (page 2)
     
  5. Senya13

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    I don't think it's legit.

    1) Capt. Godfrey's Treatise Upon the Useful Science of Defence was published in January or February 1747. That's supposedly 3.5 years after these rules had been introduced. Godfrey doesn't mention any such rules.

    2) In no advertisements or post-fight reports during Broughton's time have I seen a mention of any such rules.

    3) There is no mention of any such rules in 1788 book The Complete Art of Boxing, there's no mention of any such rules in Broughton's obituary, for example, 1789-01-08 - 1789-01-15 The Derby Mercury (page 4)

    4) First time I've seen these rules mentioned was in November 1792 issue of the Sporting Magazine. It says:
    "Mr. Broughton being now constituted sole manager, began to think about the necessary laws and regulations for his stage : and, accordingly, with the advice and approbation of several gentlemen, seven principal rules were drawn up ; as these are not extant in any of the histories of boxing, we have carefully collected them for the gratification of our readers."

    5) I don't recall any such rules being mentioned in any fight reports in 1790s, 1800s, 1810s. As in the way the London Prize Ring or Marquis of Queensberry rules were often mentioned afterwards.

    6) The broadside posted above obviously was printed much later. I'd have guessed it was created in 19th century.

    7) Broughton's new Amphitheatre, at Oxford-road, was built in late 1743. First mention of it I have is from 1743-12-10 The Daily Advertiser (page 1), ie. 4 months later than the date the rules were supposedly formulated.

    Before December 1743 all bouts were advertised to be held at "the Great Booth at Tottenham-Court" or "Amphitheatre at Tottenham-Court", which, according to these same secondary sources, like Sporting Magazine, Pancratia, Boxiana, etc., supposedly was being run by George Taylor at the time. Broughton became his competitor when he opened his own amphitheatre.

    The November 1792 Sporting Magazine, mentioned above, says: "RULES to be observed in all BATTLES on the STAGE, as agreed to by several GENTLEMEN at Mr. BROUGHTON’s, August 16, 1743." The broadsheet names the place more explictly - "Broughton's Amphitheatre, Tottenham Court Road".

    Broughton's Amphitheatre wasn't at Tottenham Court road, it was at Oxford-road, and it didn't exist in August 1743. The Amphitheatre at Tottenham Court Road which did exist in August 1743 never has the name of the owner prefixed to it in the advertisements, but as these same sources tell us, it'd be called Taylor's Amphitheatre, not Broughton's Amphitheatre.
     
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  6. BitPlayerVesti

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    From Boxing Reviewed by
    by Thomas Fewtrel, 1790
    Broughton
    Stands the first of former pugilists. His height did not exceed five feet eleven inches, and his weight was sometimes above, sometimes under fourteen stone. He was remarkably well formed, but more calculated for strength than action, he had a good eye, and his arm was not, as has been ridiculously reported, longer than the symmetry of his body demanded. The history of almost every pugilist sufficiently proves, that the mind, whatever opinion may be hazarded to the contrary, is very much interested in all contests of this nature. It is the origin of motion, and the body is its slave. Broughton was superior to all others in mental powers ; his sagacity in discovering the weakness of an adversary, and ability in covering himself from the most dangerous blows, enabled him to overcome many, to whom he was inferior in bodily force. His favorite blows were straight, and one directly planted in the mark or pit of the stomach generally proved decisive. Few battle are now decided in this manner, as from the guard, and the forward bent of the body this dangerous place is nearly secure. He used round blow, particularly when he wished to strike his antagonist under the left ear. His attitude was somewhat like that of Ryan, in his first battle with Johnson; though the arms were not so much extended, they were, however, more so than those of his cotemporaries. When a blow was directed at his body, he beat it down, when his head was aimed at, he caught his opponent's fist in his open hand. The cross-buttock wasknown long before his days; but he was considerably improved and brought it into notice. Whatever state the science was in at that period, Broughton, it must be admitted, exceeded all other fighters in a knowledge of the principles, for his great talents soon led him to discover much of the theory, that was before unknown. Many were his superiors in strength and activty, non went beyond him in science and courage. He is deservedly placed at the head of the Boxers of his own time, and his amiableness of manners went hand in hand with his public estimation.
     
  7. Senya13

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    Modern Manhood; or, the Art and Practice of English Boxing
    by Henry Lemoine, published in 1788
    pages36-37
    George Taylor, known by the name of George the Barber, sprang up surprisingly. He had but one eye. He beat all the chief Boxers but Broughton at first, and he even beat him at last, as well as Broughton's conqueror, Jack Slack. George was wrong in engaging the standing Champion of the day, and the opinion of the publick was so much in Broughton's favour, that there arose a hiss among some of the audience, which made him soon give out. He was not then twenty, and Broughton was in the zenith of his age and art. However, he was a strong able Boxer, and had a considerable knowledge of the small and back sword, and a remarkable judgment in the cross-buttock-fall, but still he was not full bottomed, and blows of equal strength too much deranged his conduct.
     
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    Thanks for posting, other than the comment about one eye and Slack, it seems based on Godfrey's writing's on Taylor. I think most of the stuff on the early period in the old books I've see seems mostly just based off Godfrey's writings.

    From A Treatise Upon the Useful Science of Defence By Capt. John Godfrey 1747
    GEORGE TAYLOR, known by the Name of GEORGE the BARBER, sprang up surprisingly. He has beat all the chief Boxers, but Boughton. He I think, injudiciously fought him one of the first, and was obliged very soon to give out. Doubtless it was a wrong Step in him to commence a Boxer, by fighting the standing Champion : For GEORGE was not then twenty, and BROUGH TON was in the Zenith of his Age and Art. Since that he has greatly distinguished himself with others; but has never engaged BROUGHTON more. He is a strong able Boxer, who with a Skill extraordinary, aided by his Knowledge of the Small and Back-Sword, and a remarkable Judgement in the Cross-Buttock-Fall, may contest with any. But, please or displease, I am resolved to be ingenuous in my Characters. Therefore I am of the Opinion, that he is not over-stocked with that necessary Ingredient of a Boxer, called a Bottom ; and am apt to suspect:, that Blows of equal Strength with his, too much affect him and disconcert his Conduct.

    Before I leave him, let me do him this Justice to say, that if he were unquestionable in his Bottom, he would be a Match for any Man.
     
  9. Senya13

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    The author seemed to be old enough or had talked to people old enough to have been present at those fights. You can find a pdf of that book using google, it contains other interesting recollections too, for example, "John Dart, a Dyer of Bankside, he beat Cochran before Cellars fought him ... but the Nailor beat him afterwards". Also, if my English is good enough, he is saying that Taylor did beat Broughton in one of their bouts.
     
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  10. BitPlayerVesti

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    Thanks, I'll check it out.

    I wasn't meaning to disparage it, I'm sure concepts of plagerism have changed a lot, I don't know the standards of the day, and it's not right to judge it by our standards. I was just saying that part seems largely copied from Godfrey (which can also be found online for free BTW). It also doesn't invalidate any of it either.

    I'll have to look into Taylor beating Broughton.
     
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  11. Senya13

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    He wasn't plagiarizing. He admits parts of the text was borrowed from Godfrey.

    page 30.
    Captain Godfrey gives him a great character in his Treatise upon the Useful Science of Defence, and calls him the Atlas of the Sword.

    I just retyped the paragraph that I found interesting, that Taylor supposedly beat Broughton, after all.

    What you mean you'll have a look? You added several reports of their bouts to Jack Slack's thread, based on what I previously posted in another thread. Taylor beat Slack at least three times if I recall correctly.
     
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    Sorry. I'm just being an idiot today. I meant looking into Taylor beating Broughton. I find it odd that Taylor is listed as a Champion before Broughton, while Godfrey describes a young Taylor fighting Broughton as the Standing Champion. I wonder when Taylor beat Broughton, Godfrey wrote the treatise in 1747, so it must have been after that. I wonder if it was after Slack beat Broughton then.

    The short bit on Figg is decent too. I'm just reading through it ATM.
     
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    This seems to say Broughton was champion by 1730, having won it from Gretton. Interesting.
    Daily Journal October 19, 1730
    At Mr. Stoke’s Amphitheatre, In Islington Road, this present Monday, being the 19th Instant,

    Will be the compleatest Trial of Manhood that has been for some Years past, between the two famous Champoins, John Broughton, who won the Coat and Crest of Liberty the 1st of August last, and Tho. Allen, Pipe-Maker, for several considerable Sums of Money. They fight wet or dry, and he that is not ready to mount the Stage with his Second, at 4 o’cClock, forfeits 10l. so those that intend to have good Places, are desired not to delay their coming. There need to Encomium to recommend those Champion to the Publick, they having an establish’d Character; Pipes, by beating Burch of Harrow on the Hill, and the Lincolnshire Drover, who beat the Italian Boxer. Broughton, by beating Gretton, who has for several Years reign’d Champion.

    Attendance will be given at 12 o’Clock, with suitable Accommodation for the Reception of the Quality and others.
     
  14. FrankinDallas

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    But did Brought on invent shadowboxing?
     
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    No.
    July 12, 1711 London Spectator
    When I was some Years younger than I am at present I used to emply my self as a more labourious Diversion, which I learned from a Latin Treatice of Exercises, that is written with great Erudition. It is there called the [word unreadable], or the Fighting with a Man's own Shadow, and consists in the brandishing of two short Sticks griped in each Hand, and loaded with Plugs of Lead at either end. This Opens the Chest, exercises the Limbs, and gaves a Man all the pleasure of Boxing, without the Blows. I could with that several Learned Men would lay out that Time which they employ in Controversies and Disputes about nothing, in this method of fighting with their own Shadows. It might conduce very much to evaoirate the Spleen, which makes them uneasy to the Publick as well as to themselves