Enough of the Dawson hate, let's enter reality.

:tired I'm not gonna say **** about Joe, until or unless Pavlik agrees himself to fight him, but this **** with that gun-shy robot Kessler kills me. How's he doin after that blow out by Joe again??

 

Blow out... Did you just make the fight up instead of actually watching it?? Kessler would box Pavliks f*cking ears off... It would be total domination.

 

Please, by all means, have him to come do it then. Better yet, one of Pavlik's left overs and a "VERY Limited" one at that, has HBO lined up for a date after his opponent for Showtime backed out, you think he'd be interested??:deal

 

I think people are just not understanding the fact that Johnson is still a tough fighter who has aged very gracefully over the years. The guy is a tough as nails and would give anybody a tough fight. He should not be overlooked. Glenn was easily Chad's toughest fight, and Dawson survived. That's all a young champion can as for. He's only gonna get better from fighting a wily pro like Johnson.

 

Unless ofcourse Tarver still possesses the power of old then no.. Tarver's chances are slim to none.

Wrong, Dawson was too exposed. How can you say the man was not exposed when half the people on here spoke of him as if he was flawless, and was gonna rule the division with an iron fist. And all because he put on a good performance against a limited fighter in Adamek. And you even said yourself Johnson exposed Dawson's flaws.

 

Johnson won the fight, the fans booed the crooked decision, 80% thought Johnson won the fight. It is a no brainer, Johnson won that fight. Judges think fans are extremely stupid.

 

Because Dawson is still a very very young fighter, who can still improve by a big way. You can still see though that skill wise he has much more potential then either of the fighters mentioned.

 

Who.. Johnson? The same Johnson that 50 percent of this board are saying got robbed?

 

Dawson won the fight but had some problems with late round pressure, just like in the Adamek fight.

No biggie, Johnson is no bum.

 

Kess was going after Mundine's peice of the title, thats why he pulled out. Kess would belt seven f*cking shades out of Miranda, showing how poor the lacklustre 160 division really is. Mundine is apparently moving down that way, and would IMO be a VERY big test for AA, Pav or Sturm.

 

The reality is, Johnson whooped his ass.

 

I thought Dawson won by a point. Anyways Dawson fought inconsistent against Johnson compared to his last three fights. In his fight with Adamek Dawson fought very differently. He was consistent, had his guard up, good head movement, and used his jab to setup right hooks, straight lefts, and uppercuts. I was surprised by Dawson when he tried to slug out with Johnson, when it was the exact opposite with Adamek, boxing on the outside throughout the whole fight. Even in his fight with Admaek Dawson still had defense liabilities, but it would of been ironed out, had he stayed with Floyd Mayweather Sr. instead of switching trainers. Dawson was also very flat against Johnson, he didn't have a good strategy coming into the fight, instead just used his natural boxing ability. He did have his moments though and I thought he did enough to win the fight. I don't know if Dawson plans to stick with Eddie Mustafa, which I don't think is a good idea, but at least his fight with Johnson gives him a good assessment on what he needs to do. Dawson needs to get back to his original form with improved defense.

 

If Johnson beat him, why couldn't Hopkins? Different styles, I know, but hear me out...

Both Taylor fights were close; particularly the second one could have gone either way...

Comparing Dawson to Taylor: Dawson has elite physical skills. Taylor doesn't. Taylor's chin is better - oh, yes it is - and Taylor doesn't do as many crazy things in fights; he is also more disciplined tactically.

So...a Hopkins in the shape of his life (e.g. the shape he will come in on for Calzaghe) will counterpunch him and land a lot of big rights on Dawson's chin. Dawson cannot hurt him to the body or the chin, and if he is crazy enough to brawl with Hopkins, he is screwed. He cannot win on the inside, he cannot do damage on the outside; Hopkins outhustles him and slows him down after hurting him. And guess what - Dawson hasn't even used his great jab all that much (??)

Would Hopkins beat him? Well, depends on whose side the judges are: they were on his side against Winky, where he counterpunched with hard, effective shots, but they were against Johnson, whose hard effective shots counted for very little.

A fairly scored fight - I wouldn't count Hopkins out at all. Fact is, for all his elite level physical qualities, Dawson doesn't have much of a brain or chin. Against a clever fighter like Hopkins who knows how to speculate every mistake and hustle all but the most experienced, Dawson is the slight underdog, in my book.

Put Hopkins' head and chin on Dawson's body and you have an unbeatable fighter. But, as things stand, Dawson has to do a lot of work to convince me of a lot of things, not least of his moral qualities: in a very close fight, when the going was tough, after he was almost starched by Johnson, he started to "run" in the last round, giving it away, hoping/knowing he'd be saved by the judges as long as he wasn't KOed. And what did he do after the fight, when fighters usually are 100% honest? He said he had nothing more to prove against the likes of Johnson and that it was time for him to move on. What a joke! Not a bit of humility or honesty - just self-delusion and arrogance. Seems to be a pattern with this man - wishful thinking, trying to go on the way of least resistance, biting off too much and proclaiming himself the better man, and all whilst already considering himself the best at LHW and soon to become the best in the world.

I was not impressed.

And here's another thought: how many top p4p fighters do you know who have a less than very good chin, who lose their head and don't listen to the trainer and who have a relatively deficient defence? Too much to overcome, I think. Let's hope I'm wrong, though. But I'm not keeping my breath. Let's see how he does against a puncher with nothing to lose (the best of Diaconu or Henry). The winner of Diaconu v. Henry will also prove some measure of solidity to the body and a very good chin, or at least a hell of a lot of luck. We'll see.

Until then, I'm not giving Dawson a free pass anymore; he doesn't deserve it on the basis of his last performance.

 

Soooo, is Kess/Mundine officially On then??:hey

 

:huh

No, as my post said, Mundine chickened out, and is moving down to 160. Miranda and Kess will probably fight for the vacant title. Or at least Kessler and someone anyway.

Actually my post wasn't that clear in hindsight, but no, Mundine isn't looking for the fight... Mundine is fighting Soliman in the rematch of the century (typical cowardess from Mundine) and then moving down. Where he will probably go after the weakest champion, and defend against a bunch of no hopers to finish his career.

He really learnt a lot from Otkke ol Mundine