Enough of this catch weight stuff ...

I agree with you, If he fought DLH at 147 why does he want to fight Cotto or Mosley at a lower weight!! DEATH TO CATCH WEIGHTS!!!!

 

I think it was becuz Oscar had to come down from 154 so it was fair..

 

who wouldn't want to fight dela hoya...in case of mosley or pbf, pac can demand his terms

 

These catch weight fights only bother me when one guy is asked to cut too much weight.

EG, with Mosley vs Pac, Shane should be able to weigh in at 147.

This is Shanes weight, he is the man and if Pac wanted to fight for Shanes crown he should be prepared to fight him at his best, at 147.

 

hmm says... give the man some slack. There are other people (cough cough) who are more guilty of this than he. He only did it once with DLH and that was fair play at 147 (moved up 2 weight classes into unknown territory). We have yet to see exactly what goes down with Pac's remaining fights, weight-wise, even though this is being overly covered by the media. Lets not cry wolf with Pac just yet until we see the cards unfold. For the better part, I could agree with some of you a bit.

 

hmm says... there are both pros and cons to this argument and I find myself in the middle ground agreeing with both sides. All that P4P stuff and how they did it back in the day is cool with me, but times have changed with the increase in the number of weight-classes and overall level of competition; Many things in boxing have changed.

The more I think about it... that catch-weight stuff is all fair-game depending how it is done. 2 guys agree because both believe they can win and are trying to even out the playing field (that's if you decide to take money into consideration or not)... If both don't agree then obviously one guy is trying to take full advantage of the other. I don't really think catch-weights are a violation of the P4P criteria because it shows that two guys can either move up in weight or go down in weight even if it's between specific weight class limits... I know there are loopholes and scenarios you can push against this argument and that is why I feel for both sides.

I will not criticize if Pac and Cotto fight at 145lbs simply because Cotto has stated that anything below 145lb will be a disadvantage for him. Also, Mosley disagreeing with Roach for 142lbs is the right thing to do cause Mosley said he cannot make that weight. I will however criticize but not necessarily condone catch-weight fights that exhibit someone taking full advantage of their opponent. The fact that a bigger man (PBF) will not leave his comfort zone and ask a smaller man (JMM) to move 2 weight classes up (even though he agreed because it is unknown territory and the initial catch-weight was 144lbs then suddenly to full WW). There needs to be a middle-ground..

Again, loophole and I'm caught in the middle like most of us on ESB. I'm not deliberately trying to defend just Pac cause I want fair fights. I'm just gonna wait and see what happens.. JMM winning or Cotto being defeated will throw things out of whack and I have yet to see who Pac's next opponent will be and at what weight...stuff like that..

 

if you don't like your boy pbf to fight at catch weights, then advise him to pick somebody his own size. Tell him to man up and fight legitimate welters like cotto, clottey, berto, mosley, margo or somebody decent from that division.

 

Pac just shouldn't fight these big guys. He should take out the title holders at 140 and rematch JMM. After that he can move up to 147 once his body is more used to fighting bigger men

 

Because he knows Mosley or Cotto ain't no shot De La Hoya. He knows exactly what would happen should Pac get into the ring with them at 147. Especially Mosley.

If he wants to stay at 140 then he should just say so, but they shouldn't say he will fight Cotto and Mosley only if they come into the fight weight drained.

 

Floyd would get **** for fighting any of Clottey, Berto or Margo and you know that.

I'm convinced he will fight Cotto & Mosley eventually. He's got a 5 fight deal.

 

BS. Weight classes are arbitrary so they can have belts. Too many good fights wouldn't happen without them.

 

Yeah this bothers me that they wanna force Cotto to make 143 who we all remember was dead at the weighins for 140 over 3 years ago imagine now. Then nearly 38 year old Mosley who hasnt seen anything under exactly 147 in over 10 years. Mosley and Cotto have the belts at 147 so I think they should decide what they want. Mosley needs a fight badly and Pac is the only one availible I wish they would make it for October. In the meantime the winners of JMM-Floyd,Clottey-Cotto (im never writing of Clottey or Marquez)face off in November then the winners of everything meet early next year.