Enzo Calzaghe: Ward's trainer must be punch drunk

So tell me which bit is incorrect on this post below

Atlanta gets brutally pwned again

 

Shouldn't the Calzaghe posts go in the Classic Forum? The guy hasn't fought for years and you all reel off the SAME arguments on a weekly basis.

Calzaghe was a great supermiddle, Ward is seemingly going to surpass what Joe did. Both will go down in the record books. Get over it.

 

Calzaghes best wins wins were tarnished.

How can Eubank be a better win than Kessler when Eubank went on only to lose and retire when Kessler went on to beat undefeated Froch and win every other fight, one by brutal KO?

You fail miserably Bailey boy

 

You can do this to every fighter

dino you seem to have a problem with people having different opinions to you, why is that?

 

I dont have a problem with anybody personally , i dont even hate Calazghe. He asked for counters to his points and i obliged him. Ifs ok for him to argue his fav boxer, why isn't it ok for me?

 

You post bull**** like this and you actually expect people to bother trying to have an intelligent debate with you?

Dawson's a far better boxer than Lacy ever was and has accomplished far more than Lacy ever did period. He's the better win and it isn't even up for debate.

You're a ****ing clown. :bart

 

Ward is your favourite fighter? Fair enough, so why do you post on every Calzaghe related thread trying to shoot Joe down? (not that it bothers me, difference in opinions is what makes these debates good :good)

 

currently , yeah.

Don't bailey, anglo and the rest do the same to Ward..

 

I can't speak for other posters but I don't see much criticism against Ward on here? He's a great fighter.

I currently have him as the no.2 SMW and on his current path he'll become no.1, Kessler, Froch, Abraham and Bika is a strong resume for only 26 fights, though I don't rate the Dawson win highly at all

 

You tell me how it was so much better

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.
http://www.talkboxing.co.uk/guides/b..._calzaghe.html
Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

 

How do you work that out?
Dawson looked to have lost to many against G Johnson who was beaten by Vanderpool who Lacy destroyed.

Anyway, tell what Dawson has done at SMW to be this top SMW win.
Please what is Dawsons SMW pedigree? He doesnt have any
Lacy was a proven SMW world champ, big difference

Dawson..................................Lacy (Lacy a proven SMW and winner of 5 SMW title fights. Dawson no pedigree at all at SMW)

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How? Proven world champ and winner of 5 world title fights is better than a fighter cutting weight with no pedigree in a division

 

This is getting pathetic. Calzombies just can't see another fighter at SMW doing better and eclipsing their idols resume.

 

Calzaghe was closer to Sheffield than Eubank was, how was he the away fighter? Eubank was at the end of his tether. Kessler was nowhere near it. Kessler the better win.
I dont need big essays to win a debate. Just solid facts. No smoke an mirrors.

 

If you claim you know Joe you know that he enjoyed fighting in front of English fans. It gave him more confidence , especially in the Woodhall fight.

Being an away fighter is an absolutely meaningless agreement and poves nothing.

 

What smoke and mirrors?

what here is not a fact?


It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.
http://www.talkboxing.co.uk/guides/b..._calzaghe.html
Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss