Era's... are they really 'much' better, one to an other?

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  1. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    I agree, I think you read my post the wrong way round, the past already proved in numbers & years, the Top men were still, there... the present with only 25 fights, can't be 'speculated that they would 'still' be among the Top fighters IF they had to fight a 100 fights.

    the past boys Did It, the present boys haven't.
     
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  2. Makingweight

    Makingweight Boxing Addict Full Member

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    @thistle of course you can only fight in your era, there has been great fighters all era's and the great fighters are often defined by their dance partners.

    Many fighters as you know never got the chance to see how good they were as boxing politics and simply born in the wrong era, Charley Burley being a prime example.
     
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  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There are definitely eras where talent is stacked in and around the same division(s), creating interesting and meaningful fights (not always entertaining ones, but often so).

    The light heavyweights of the late 1970s/early ‘80s was ridiculously stacked, and many fought each other in various combinations: Matthew Saad Muhammad, Marvin Johnson, Victor Emilio Galindez, James Scott, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, John Conteh, Yaqui Lopez, a tier slightly below that included Mike Rossman, Jerry Martin and others … and Dwight Qawi and Michael Spinks rising through the ranks all the while.

    There’s also the 1970s heavyweights, whom I don’t need to enumerate, and the early 1980s junior lightweights to include Alexis Arguello (on his way up), Bobby Chacon, Cornelius Boza-Edwards, Rafael Limon and Rolando Navarette, among others.

    Mix ‘em and match ‘em, pull two names out of a hat with groups like that and you’re getting quality fights.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    There were fine skills at play with great weight on the outcome, i.e. a lot of reward at play for even the slightest risk. And despite protestations otherwise and contentions of a robbery, I saw Artur winning it by the same margin.

    I can show you footage of Charles and Conn looking sloppy, tentative or desperate on film. Does that make them poor boxers? Not at all. Sometimes in the ring your preferred script gets away from you. You do weird things to get it back into your flow.
     
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  5. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    Yes as I stated in the opening post all such lesser showing accounted for... I just thought it a very simple dance.
     
  6. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    No era gets called 'the best' as it's happening though. You think they didn't say the same when Spinks fought Qawi? They didn't- and this was at the end of pretty golden time for light-heavies (mid-70s and early 80s)
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Comparing Eras?
    I think Beterbiev compares very favourably with some previous Lhvy Champs.
    Christoforidis
    Bettina
    Olin
    Pascal
    Hill
    Mills
    Lesnevich
    Tiger
    Pastrano
    C Willams
    G Johnson
    Torres
    Tarver
    M Johnson
    For example
    Okay, he might not be on a par with H Johnson ,Conn,Moore, but let's look at some of the rated 175pounders during Moore's reign.
    Pompey
    Slade
    Lamotta
    Turpin
    R Jones
    Hecht
    Nardico
    Buxton
    Hoepner
    Andrews
    Colin
    Whitlock
    Rinaldi
    Durelle
    Spier
    Stretz
    Anthony
    Besmanoff
    Shoppner
    Hinnant
    Calzaran
    Ray
    Halafihi
    Rodriguez
    Amonti
    Calderwood
    Von Clay
    Holt
    etc
    How many of them would be favoured over Beterbiev?
    The two best Lhv's Conn beat were Lesnevich and Bettina.I would pick Beterbiev to beat them both.
    Saad Muhammad v Beterbiev would be a hell of a fight, ditto Artur v Conteh and Galindez,and that is generally conceded to have been the deepest era for the light heavies.
    How would Qawi fare coming into Beterbiev?
     
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  8. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    Well, for me it's simple, take all the Contenders you have listed, split them into perceived better Era's, all the one's with say either side of 30 fights, put them aside until you review the ones that had Dozens & Hundreds of fights.

    while among them, see how many Top men they fought, Champs, Contenders & Fringe Contenders, because in some Era's those on the fringe where equally Top & Noted fighters, no diff than 30 - potentially 50 top 10 among today's 5 Major Sanctioning bodies, see how they did win or lose...

    the Best Among them will have fought in & around 25 - 30 FIGHTS against Top & Noted Men, where as Today's two haven't, after that do the same with the contenders who fought 30 fights or less.

    that'll little exercise will give you a more thought out and reviewed analyses for Equal Comparatives. I would still favour many of the ones from the Better Era's, simply because they already proved it in their Fights & Victories among the Top Men, where as it is a Fair Analyses to ask, would those two 'perhaps' not shine so brightly, 'IF' they had to prove it another 10, 15 or 20 times.

    I mean when weighing up Past Era's to now, contextually, it all has to be considered.

    after thought, I forgot to say, yes, they would compete among, but in some Era's much less favourably perhaps.
     
  9. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i had a draw or Bivol by one but either way, an excellent fight!