Erdei on the p4p list?

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  1. PolishPummler

    PolishPummler Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I dont think many people will agree with your P4P justification.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I laughed when I read the word "seriously"

    LMAO
     
  3. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree that he is not top 10 yet but being him in top 20 is justifiable.
    Top p4p list is mostly the popularity contest and Erdei is hardly popular now,
    on paper he currently have the best resume (counting the last 5 years) from
    all other LHW except Dawson, but Dawson by ducking both
    Cloud and Diaconu is not impressive as much.
     
  4. UndisputedUK

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    It takes one turd to know another I guess. If Erdei was from the USA he would be hyped to be the next big thing.

    The guy is undefeated, 11 defences (WBO super champion status)
    He beat the man who beat the man, not an alphabet champ.
    He steps up and wins the WBC title at a weight above.

    Why doesn't Hopkins or Roy Jones go to Germany and fight him for the WBC Cruiserweight title? Is Green that much better? Who does Hopkins fight next?
     
  5. andyZOR

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    I hope Krzysztof Wldoarczyk knocks Erdei out!
     
  6. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The standard of the LHW division dropped significantly right after
    Tarvers lucky punch into Jones chin. From that all the so called
    'ring' LHW champions are based on the legacy of Tarvers lucky
    win over Jones .... journeyman Johnson, Calzaghe, Hopkins, Wright,
    Pavlik, Trinidad - the so called 'legitimate' LHW RING contenders
    would not have any business in this division in the times when
    prime Jones and prime Michalczewski were ruling LWH.
    Erdei with his pity paty competition is no worse than others.

    The current win at CW make significant difference because it puts
    Erdei in bright light outside the circus circle of either old/shot/or
    formerly great fighters whose best wins were from WW to SMW.
    It says ... I'm not participatingin your circus, I'm above that.
     
  7. Stinky gloves

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    Here is example of double standards in the LWH division which is all
    coming back to the Jones-Michalczewski debate of the supremacy.

    The 'ring' circle supports are saying the Erdei is nothing special because his
    legacy is based on beating Golzalez who beat old Michalczewski, while Gonzalez
    was schooled by Jones so Jones based line of Ring champions is more legitimate.

    However Woods was also schooled by Jones in the same way as Gonzales
    but Woods become then champion later. So technically Tarves wind over Woods
    and then Dawson wins over Tarver should not count more than Erdei's win over
    Gonzales at that time.

    Its all coming back to shot DM loosing to Gonzales and shot Jones
    loosing to Tarver, the both lines are equally legitimate.
     
  8. Henke67

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    Erdei is nowhere near my P4P top 10.

    Yeah, he's undefeated and made a few defences of his title - but who did he beat? Being undefeated only impresses me if you've faced a high level of competition.

    I've no idea how good he really is because he's built his record facing second and third-rate fighters.
     
  9. Stinky gloves

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    The whole point is if people have Dawson in their top 10 then
    they should have Erdei near that spot as well. Nothing what
    Dawson did so far is much above what did Erdei.

    Dawson legacy is based on beating starving Adamek, a bunch of
    overrated old guys and ducking two legitimate contenders
    which should be at the same level of Erdei's competition right now.
     
  10. Brickhaus

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    The fight was announced 5+ weeks before the actual fight, so the only way that's true is if Erdei's camp didn't tell him he was fighting Fragomeni, and if he lives in a cave where he has no access to the media. It was announced 10-13:

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175847&highlight=erdei+fragomeni

    As for top 20 P4P? People got to be kidding. Yes, he beat a bigger fighter, but Fragomeni, a light-hitting slugger, was maybe the 5th best cruiser? After that, his only wins of note are Ulrich, Gonzalez (who's only claim to fame was catching DM at the right time) and two very questionable wins over Garay. The fact that his handlers had him move up to face the weakest CW titlist rather than fight his own damn mandatory in Braehmer speaks volumes.
     
  11. Stinky gloves

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  12. Brickhaus

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    Bologna. Dawson's win over Harding is about as good as Erdei's best win, much less a win over Adamek and two wins over each of Tarver and Johnson. This has nothing to do with Erdei being a Euro, it has to do with him fighting **** competition, and often struggling with it.
     
  13. Brickhaus

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    I don't, but I assume it's because Cloud's handlers asked for too much money. They've earned a reputation for being pain in the ass negotiators when they have no leverage.

    I never even heard about this supposed unification until recently though. I'd heard rumblings that he'd face Braehmer or Campillo, and then Fragomeni came out of the blue.
     
  14. Stinky gloves

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    The battle to battle fights with Tarver and Johnson are just a HBO type hype machines
    ... at this time Johnson and Tarver are much smaller treat than Daiconu or Cloud.

    They definitely make Dawson look more know to the public from TV screen position
    but they are not handling him supremacy in the division. Gonzales, Garay, or Urlih
    are just less known in US but not much worse than the current versions of Johnson or Tarver.
     
  15. Brickhaus

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    If you think Diaconu is a greater threat than any of those guys, you need to get your eyes checked. Do you really think a 5'9" fighter who can't effectively apply pressure would have given ANY problems to 6'3" outside boxer Dawson? Also, people seem to forget that a Diaconu fight WAS scheduled, but Diaconu pulled out 2 weeks before the fight, leading Dawson to fight Mendoza on short notice instead.

    Dawson-Cloud not getting made was mutual. It's not like Cloud wanted the fight either. He was perfectly happy to be gifted the belt when they stripped Dawson for not facing him.

    I've seen plenty of all of these guys' fights, and Gonzalez and Ulrich ARE AND WERE significnatly worse than any of those guys. I'll give you that in shape Garay is about on par with the Johnson of the second Dawson fight, but then again, Garay beat Erdei twice, just couldn't get the decision when fighting 8,000 miles away from home.