Ernesto Hoost: great but not perfect

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by yaca you, Apr 3, 2011.


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  1. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's #1 K1 atg...maybe Schilt will/already has surpassed him. And Aerts is up there too...**** the Dutch are good at Muay Thai
     
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  2. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    yea but im boy badr hari is up there aswell.
     
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  3. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    see, I cant agree with: Hari over Shilt,Rick Roufus,Kaman,Don "the Dragon"Wilson, and Cikatić.
     
    yaca you, Apr 23, 2011
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  4. Valane

    Valane Active Member Full Member

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    He is up there but i never saw him as dominant.

    Full Muay thai gets included and you are looking at a very long list.
     
    Valane, Apr 24, 2011
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  5. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hoost is a K1 legend...I don't think he's the ultimate # 1 ever in K1 though. But he's in the Top 3 atg imo. (i'm of course just talking about the hw division)...
    So i'll vote for "top 3 best"
     
    boxingcar, Apr 24, 2011
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  6. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    Not sure why this is in the MMA section, although I guess there is no where else for it.

    Aerts and Hoost were neck and neck for years, the difference being two things: Ernestos 2002 WGP win and Aerts much longer career. However, the 2002 WGP really was gifted to Hoost as he lost in the earlier rounds to Sapp. So if you discount that, and then look to see how far Aerts went, competing with the best til this day, to me it makes it clear who number one is.

    1)Aerts
    2)Hoost
    3)Schilt

    The reason I have Aerts above Schilt is because he is 3-2 against him, afterall. With two of the wins coming at age 38 +. Clear indication of who the better fighter is imo.

    If I had to do the rest of my top ten it would look like this

    4- Remy Bonjasky
    5- Jerome LeBanner
    6 - Andy Hug
    7- Branko Cikatic
    8- Mark Hunt
    9- Badr Hari
    10- Stefan Leko / Ignashov / Sefo


    However it is my opinion Hari is the biggest talent, and if he gets his act together he can become the greatest.
     
    StillWill, Apr 24, 2011
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  7. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    why not badr hari is a beast and loves to k.o. ***gots especially when he taught alistair a lesson, and when he stomped remy bonjasky that was AWESOME?!
    CHECK THIS OUT if you dont believe that badr hari should be next.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bi8R7XI_eo&feature=related[/ame]

    there are more parts in it aswell check it out its cool and michael schiavello is funny as!
     
    Ai-edy2007, Apr 24, 2011
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  8. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    Because Hari jas never won a WGP?? And he is probably my favorite fighter across combat sports but he hasnt translated his talents into the results he should have yet..
     
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  9. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    yea but in terms of striking and personality he's peoples champ therefore he doesnt give a f***ck what he does in case of remy and hedsy gerges he could have killed them all.... but he went crazy he shouldve won k1 2009, 2010 and retained his hw champ on "IT'S SHOWTIME" Anyway thats my opinion.
     
    Ai-edy2007, Apr 24, 2011
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  10. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    You dont have to tell me. I made a promo for his comeback fight check it out:

    [yt]gAGm7arxqgc[/yt]

    I also made a full hl you can find it on my page
     
    StillWill, Apr 24, 2011
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  11. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    can u please put the link on i cant find it.
     
    Ai-edy2007, Apr 24, 2011
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  12. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    [yt]hVnNrbtLuoM[/yt]

    Here you go. I have a lot of K1 fighter hls that I have done, Masato, Manhoef, Gokhan Saki etc.
     
    StillWill, Apr 24, 2011
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  13. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    cheers bro.
     
    Ai-edy2007, Apr 24, 2011
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  14. yaca you

    yaca you Someone past surprise Full Member

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    first off good post and also I those hl vids were very good as well. :happy

    Not sure why this is in the MMA section, although I guess there is no where else for it.[/quote]

    This is the only place for this kind of disscussion on this forum, we have been discussing Muaythai/kickboxing here for some time. if the thread was created anywhere else on ESB forums it would be moved here by the mods anyway.

    Just so you know why.


    First off, I am not trying to nitpick. I am just interested.

    I wonder why you have Hoost as #2 ahead of #3 shilt and #7 Branko and you dont even include guys like Rob Kaman, Thériault, Rick Rufus, Don Wilson, dekkers, Masato, souwer ect?(It seems that your rankings are only among k-1 heavys? If which is ok.)

    I find it interesting when ranking Hoost people tend to prioritise his 4 K-1 gp titles very highly, which is fine. but remember their is a luck of the draw factor in a GP title. what I mean is if Hoost had faced certain opponents such as Cikatic, Rob Kaman, what then.


    for example in the K-1 Grand Prix '97 Final Tournament if hoost would have been matched against Cikatic in the first round how would that have turned out?

    Im not saying Cikatic would have beaten hoost without a doubt but that would have been a bad draw for hoost, the tournament would have gone differently, is my only point.

    Overeem won the 2010 Gp and he deserves credit but if the matchups were different than it would have been a whole different tournament. Overeems victories over saki and Aerts in that tournament were legit as it was a tourney but it has little baring on if Overeem is a better kickboxer than Saki or Aerts because they were far from 100% when they fought Alistair. while Overeem was practically fresh.

    As you probably already know without reading my rants tournament titles are not always created equal. its who you fight, when you fight them, and what you have to go through to win it.

    Keeping that in mind is hoosts 4 GP titles better than Shilts? Is it better than Bonjasky's 3?

    Then again perhaps this is not the reason you rank him so highly at all.
     
    yaca you, Apr 25, 2011
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  15. 1HitterQuitter

    1HitterQuitter RUTHLESS BY LAW Full Member

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    mother****er lost twice to bob sapp lol. Besides that, the dude is a badass.
     
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