Errol Spence is being underestimated big time

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  1. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    No one goes through the car wreck Spence had undamaged or unchanged. What concerns me ever since the crash is when Spence gets hit he has, on occasion, just looked around aimlessly for a second.

    There is a compliation video in this thread I believe.

    All Spences advantages will be moot if this happens against Crawford.
     
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  2. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Crawford will take it as easy as you let him. He starts at gear 1, just enough to get rolling. The guy has speed, combinations and can be a pressure fighter but he wont use it if you just don’t bother him.
     
  3. zelky

    zelky Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Doesn't Spence have a damaged retina in one eye that he's had surgery on to try to fix?

    The reaction might be something to do with that.
     
  4. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Possibly but
    He did the exact same thing in the Danny Garcia fight which was after wreck but before the torn retina.
    The torn retina happened just before he was supposed to fight Paquiao so Paquiao ends up fighting Ugas instead.
     
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  5. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    YDKSAB if u thought Porter won. It wasn't even close. If anything Porter did better against Crawford until he was stopped.
     
  6. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    If he can take Crawford power, he wins. But I think Crawford is too precise and hits pretty hard. He will hurt Spence.
     
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  7. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Porter was piecing Spence up early in that fight.
     
  8. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But he hasn't fought anyone who has the combination of power, pressure, Jab, and fundamentals like Spence.
     
  9. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Actaully, based off compubox, it was 9-3 Spence without the knockdown.
     
  10. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Name a puncher Crawford has faced as dangerous as Spence? Crawford has been hurt more times than Spence, that's for sure.
     
  11. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm aboard the Spence train. That brutal bodywork against Ugas was just deadly. It was like he was working a heavy, heavy bag.
     
  12. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One thing I've noticed about the boxing community is that the more "flashy" fighter is always favored. Based on the eye test, Crawford's boxing is just "prettier". Crawford mesmerizes you with his beautiful counter-punching and timing while Spence makes you cringe with his relentless pressure and bone-crushing power. But, when you look at both fighters and study who they fought (when they fought them), it is clear that neither guy is really more "skilled" than the other. Crawford is more twitchy, has slightly faster hands and feet, has exceptional timing, and is great at judging distance. Spence has better defense, chin, jab, better in the pocket, better at cutting off the ring, and he seems to have much better stamina (he threw 110 punches in round 9 against Ugas).

    If you were to put a gun to my head, I would favor Spence by SD or late-round stoppage. Here's the issue I have with Crawford, if you compare the resumes of both (including the Kell Brook and Porter fight), it is clear that Spence has fought the better competition. Now, I am not saying that Crawford wouldn't have beaten the same versions of Kell Brook, Porter, Danny Garcia, Mikey Garcia, and Ugas that Crawford the Spence did, I'm just saying we have not seen him fight anyone as good as the version of fighters that Spence has fought.

    Let's look at Crawford's best wins excluding Porter and Brook (I'm excluding these two to prove a point).
    1. Gamboa: Gamboa (the fighter that Crawford said hurt him the most) came up two weight classes and buzzed Crawford. This is not a good sign if you're fighting someone like Spence who is arguably a top 10 puncher in the sport (Top 3 at WW).
    2. Postol: Postol had a terrific win but nothing really special (would've lost to Danny and Ugas at 140). I actually think Josh Taylor did better even though it could be argued that Postol was a better version compared to the Postol that fought Craw
    3. Benvidez: It took Crawford 12 to Stop a one-legged Benavidez (Spence would've taken care of him in 6". Crawford struggled with the length of Benavidez who was literally fighting on one leg. The guy could barely pivot.
    4. Diaz: Diaz was a one-hit wonder who was extremely hyped up.
    5. Horn: Everyone knows that he lost that fight to Manny 9-3. Horn was never anything special and would've gotten battered in the rematch.
    6. Khan: Way past his prime and not the same Khan that was at 140.
    Now, let's look at two common opponents (Porter and Brook).

    Brook: Just being objective, neither guy fought the best version of Brook. Brook went up two weight divisions to fight the Number 1 P4P fighter in GGG and came back down to 147 to fight Spence. Crawford, on the other hand, fought a version of Kell Brook who was past his prime, had three fights at 154, and took the fight at 147 on a 6-week notice (Even Ingles refused to coach him). Since Kell Brook was much fresher at 147 when he fought Spence, you have to say that Spence fought a much better version of Kell Brook.

    Porter: Porter was one foot away from retirement and Kenny Porter admitted that Porter did not train as hard as he did when he fought Spence( If you watch both fights, you can tell). Plus, I had it tied when Crawford fought Porter before the knockdown. With Spence, even before the knockdown, I had it 9-3 for Spence (Porter was missing a lot of shots and Spence put on a defensive masterclass utilizing his jab and shell defense.

    To sum it up, in almost every fight Crawford has had, he had some type of advantage whether it be a huge disparity of skills, power, size...etc, or fighters just simply being past their best.

    Crawford has never faced anyone who possesses the perfect combination of power, fundamentals, jab, defense, and pressure that Spence brings. Had Crawford defeated Manny, Prime Porter, Prime Kell Brook, and Prim Thurman, I would probably give him the edge. But based on how many times he has been hurt and the level of competition, I have to side with Spence in this fight. Plus you are only as good as your recent opponent David Ava was defeated by Mean Machine (who Crawford knocked out) and Spence defeated a top 5 WW in Ugas, who is better than anyone Crawford has faced in his career.

    This fight will probably be similar to GGG vs Canelo, minus the skill but a little more action-packed. My gut tells me that this fight will be a controversial draw, but my head tells me that Spence is going to win by decision or late stoppage.
     
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  13. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    I love it! Spence been doubted since the Mikey Garcia fight! They said he would get out boxed by Mikey, and out boxed Mikey. They said he was done after the car accident and would lose to Danny Garcia and beat up Danny after being off for over a year and a half. They said he would be done after the torn retina and came back and destroyed Ugas. Now they saying Crawford going to wash him now lol. Clearly people have no clue about Spence. Spence by 11th TKO
     
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  14. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    been telling em for the better part of a decade. but when ydksab, you listen to your emotions before listening to facts.
     
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  15. EJDiaZ

    EJDiaZ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spence by brutal body shot KO inside 8 rounds