Errol Spence is being underestimated big time

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  1. drenlou

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    Spence is going to show the world why he's the best WW in the world July 29th. MAN DOWN!
     
  2. BoxingIQ

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    I think it's because "Crawford" just looks more skilled due to his athleticism and twitchiness.
     
  3. Brighton bomber

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    Smoking him is unlikely both are elite and that rarely happens at the top level but I think Crawford is a favourite for a reason.

    Crawford is more versatile and a even though they have similar KO ratio's I think Crawford has bigger one punch power. Spence's aggression and pressure may very well work against him as he walks into Bud's counters. Like a matador with a bull Crawford will side step and turn Spence and slowly chip away at him until he's ready to push Spence back and eventually he'll become the bully and once that happens it's game over for Spence.

    But in the end were all just making educated guesses based on our assessment of both fighters. Maybe Spence will shock people and prove he's the better fighter and simply out last Crawford walking through all the counters and eventually breaks Crawford down like he as with so many other fighters.
     
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  4. ellerbe

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    They’ll learn..
     
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  5. BoxingIQ

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    No disrespect, but Crawford has never faced a fighter that posses the combination of defense, fundamentals, pressure, chin, and power that Errol possesses. Porter tried to sidestep Spence but it did not prevent Spence from being able to fight from range and on the inside (no, I am not saying Porter is better than Crawford). Paying attention to the way Crawford fights, he does not like pressure and he is not a great inside fighter. Just look at the Khan, David, Porter, and Gamboa fight and see how uncomfortable he was on the inside. Crawford may be the more twitchy/athletic fighter but there isn't this huge skill disparity between the two fighters that people in the community are making it seem. Spence has the better jab, chin, defense, inside fighting, and he has more power compared to Crawford.
     
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  6. HolDat

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    Extremely. Simple, effective fighters are ALWAYS underrated. The aesthetics of a fighter's boxing style doesn't automatically equate to being better.
     
  7. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Read my post on the last page. "Prettier" fighters are always favoured.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

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    I agree that Spence has never faced a fighter like Spence but same is true for Spence regarding Crawford.

    Yes Porter tried to side step Spence at times, you can't just stand in front on Spence he will pressure you which is why Porter tried to turn Spence when he was on the ropes, his coach tells him to do this after the first round. Crawford may try and do the same, he knows Spence is going to keep coming forward and simply backing up and side step won't prevent Spence from eventually getting him on the ropes which is when he'll need to turn Spence on to the ropes.

    I don't agree with the whole Crawford being twitchy/athletic as the reason why he's favoured. Spence himself is a hell of an athlete and has better fundamentals. Where they differ and why the majority here are picking Crawford is because Crawford is more versatile, he's the better counter puncher, has better movement, has the edge in reach and power, he's also great at controlling fighters as they try and get up close, like how he controlled Porters head with frame, posts and collar ties. I see Spence's aggression being stunted by these tactics from Crawford, especially when Spence goes down to the body, his head is there to be controlled when he dips down.

    I disagree about Spence having the better defence. Both are hittable but Spence in my opinion due to his aggression is easier to tag. I also think Crawford hits harder with one shot power, Spence needs to break you down more while Crawford can turn a fight with one shot, how he dealt with Porter shows he hits harder than Spence. That combined with Bud's ability to set traps which is superior to Spence's will result in Crawford winning in my opinion. But I guess we'll see. This is a very competitive fight when it comes down to it I just think Crawford has the edge.
     
  9. Brighton bomber

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    I tend to agree but think this could apply to both fighters. Spence is the slightly bigger draw for a reason, he has a more fan friendly style and has great fundamentals and a text book style which is why he got all the hype on the way up to winning his first title, even getting comparisons to Mayweather despite fighting nothing like him.

    Crawford in contrast has a less fan friendly style, won a world title and basically nobody new who he was, unified a division and was still relatively unknown. So if anything I think Spence has the prettier style at least in terms of what casual fans are looking for in a fighter.

    Crawford might have a prettier style to those preferring more technical fighters and in this regard Spence is underrated he isn't just some Froch like fighter who has to rely on grit and will, he's very technical himself within in own style.

    So who's the prettier fighter, depends on what you prefer.
     
  10. BoxingIQ

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    What evidence do you have that Crawford has more power than Spence? Porter and Brook already admitted that Spence hurt him more than Crawford did so I don't know how that proves that Spence has more power than Crawford. Also, I think it is silly to use Porter as a measuring stick. Porter was contemplating retirement before fighting Spence and Kenny admitted that Porter did not train as hard for the Crawford fight as he did for Spence. Again, the Brook that Crawford fought had three wins at 154 and dropped down to 147 to fight Crawford on a 6-week notice. Also, I think a lot of people are confusing Crawford being able to switch as being more versatile. Spence is the better mid-range and close-range fighter, he has the better jab, chin, and defense (he gets hit much less than Crawford does statistically). Crawford does not like pressure and is not that great at fighting in the pocket. Also, I will admit that Crawford is better than anyone Spence has fought (granted him vs Mikey at 140 would've been 50/50 and Mikey is still better than anyone Crawford has ever fought). What I'm saying is there is too much of a disparity in the quality of competition or Crawford to be favored as he is.
     
  11. Mark Anthony

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    Twitching head, Spence doesn`t have enough head movement.
     
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  12. BoxingIQ

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    Neither does Crawford. Spence actually gets hit less than Crawford. Spence is actually a really good defender. See video.
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  13. Brighton bomber

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    We obviously don't agree on most things regarding this fight. Crawford was able to stop Porter and Porter's corner had to save him before Crawford was able to really put a beating on Porter to finish him so not surprised he says Spence hurt him more he took a lot more shots off Spence. Same in the Brook fight, Crawford dropped him with a damn jab then landed a few shots and it was over. Spence in contrast has more clubbing like power, needs more shots to get it done which obviously is a more painful experience while Crawford only needs to land one good shot and the fights basically over even if they get up. Two different types of power, clubbing heavier shots vs single snappier shots that discombobulate you. So I'd rephrase my statement and say Crawford is the better one punch hitter, Spence might indeed by the heavier handed and more hurtful puncher but Crawford has that single shot fight changing power.

    Crawford is longer, better at setting up counters, better from the outside, moves better too and Spence will need to walk through all that to get into his preferred range and work to stay there.

    Reality is, it's a competitive fight, I don't expect one the dominate the other, but I still believe Crawford is the better fighter, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
     
  14. Mark Anthony

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    Crawford always moves his head while he`s not punching and while punching while Spence is stiff and upright.
     
  15. bandeedo

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    ydksab. never will.