Errol Spence is top 10 h2h at welterweight

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  1. granth

    granth Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Would Spence even beat the version of Kell Brook that beat Porter?
    Even in their 2017 fight, it was a very close affair until Brook's eye went and he gassed from having been up at middleweight and not living the life.
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shawn Porter is hardly the epitome of skill. He's easy to hit, isn't particularly fast (not faster than Margarito) and is in no way a better pressure fighter than Margarito. He'd have been battered by Cotto.

    Regardless, it's nice how you've clung to one of the twenty names I named, while also restricting myself to people OUTSIDE the top ten.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have my doubts.
     
  4. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    You claim Margarito is faster than Porter and you have Mayweather outside your top 10 but I'm supposed to take your list seriously?
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've taken you seriously despite unironically posting that Spence is roughly fifty fifty with Sugar Ray Leonard, and would actually stop Roberto Duran. So, yeah, I would expect so.

    If you want me to just laugh at how thick you are, I could've just done that at the start.
     
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  6. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I don't "want" you to do anything. What I want to do is laugh once again because you think Margarito was faster than Porter and that you have Mayweather outside your top 10 at 147.

    Put down the rose tinted glasses and the crack pipe. Spence would manhandle many of those skinny, unathletic, old ass fighters, he's the size of a modern middleweight when he rehydrates and would be shattering their ribs and eye sockets.
     
  7. Manfred

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    Spence has very respectable power and he punches with that same power from round one to round twelve.
     
  8. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Crawford hits just as hard backing up and he does moving forward.
     
  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The speed difference between Margarito and Porter is minimal, either way. And it's completely irrelevant. Porter isn't better than Margarito and Margarito beat up a quicker, better fighter than Spence. And if Spence could BARELY handle the pressure Porter brought, he isn't surviving Margarito's. Mayweather doesn't belong in any welterweight top ten. Maybe one day you'll know enough about the division to understand why.

    No, how about you take a step back and look at he stupid **** you've posted. He'd stop a prime Roberto Duran??? He's fifty fifty with Sugar Ray Leonard? He'd stop Pacquiao?

    This is a guy who couldn't stop Mikey Garcia, was getting out-boxed by Kell Brook, got dropped by Ugas and went to the absolute wire with Shawn Porter :lol:

    Any welterweight great wipes his ass with Spence, exactly like Crawford will.
     
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  10. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    What do you mean he could barely handle Porter's pressure? You're acting like Porter had him cowering in fear and on the verge of getting stopped. Porter is more of a Frazier type of pressure fighter anyway, Margarito was slow as molasses and just broke guys down by using his chin as a weapon and throwing non stop.

    Mayweather definitely belongs in the h2h top 10 and is arguably the #1 defensive fighter of all time...unless you're a crack smoker with nostalgia bias

    Yes to all 3. I don't take back what I said. If he can manage to look impressive against Crawford I think he could be 50/50 with Leonard at welter. I think Duran clashes badly with him stylistically, and Pacquiao definitely gets the crap beat out of him. I thoroughly explained my reasonings and I don't mind elaborating further. Just using appeal to ridicule is not a logical response. If you disagree but do not want to even bother forming a counter argument then **** off. What is your goal here, to "shame" me into agreeing with you for not "seeing the light" that these legends are objectively superior without explaining why?

    He didn't bother trying to stop Mikey because people accused him of being a brawler and that Mikey might outbox him. So he went out there and put on a clinic winning every round simply by jabbing his head off and having good fundamentals. Mikey was on the top 10 p4p list at the time. He was very inexperienced against Brook and still won the fight. Ugas didn't drop him, did you watch the fight? Apparently not.

    You are using pure emotion here and haven't offered any technical break down.
     
  11. Young Terror

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    Lmao at Spence being 50/50 with Leonard. Hes not going to stop Leonard and sure as hell he wont outbox him only a casual fanboy would give Spence a chance and even more ridiculous having this as 50/50 type of fight.

    Embarrassing stuff from the OP.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

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    Barely handle Porter's pressure = barely won the fight. Not that hard to work out. Margarito is a taller, stronger, harder hitting version of Shawn Porter. He'd walk Spence down and beat him up in the late rounds.

    No, Leonard, Hearns, Robinson, Duran, Walker, Gavilan, Napoles, Griffith, Armstrong, Rodriguez, Benitez, Whitaker. Just to name some. Bottom line, is Mayweather is a lightweight and would be in the top five there. But not at welter.


    Please explain what Spence has about to even have a ten percent chance against Leonard? I'm not seeing how he's keeping up the speed, the skill, or even taking the power. Leonard was a different class. He'd take Spence's jab away and counter him silly as he tries to work the body.

    Roberto Duran survived a war with Leonard, a war with Barkley, and massive shots off Hagler. Spence isn't stopping him. In fact, the by-the-book amateur style Spence has developed from would be food for Duran. Especially not when he threw over 1000 punches against Mikey Garcia without even hurting him. There's literally nothing at all, in either of their careers to suggest Spence would even come close to beating, let alone stopping Fury.

    Spence is tailor made for Pacquiao. A fellow southpaw, aggressive, not particularly hard to hit, nowhere near as fast. Pacquiao would light Spence up then move off. He's beaten more skilled and bigger fighters.

    Clearly struck a nerve :lol:

    'He didn't bother stopping him' - complete cope. He was able to stop him, and so he didn't. He threw 1000 punches at him and dozens of power shots every round. Like he wouldn't want a stoppage in his home town, and like Miley wasn't half his size and hasn't been awful at welterweight. Spence had 150 amateur fights, and had been to the Olympics. He was in no way inexperienced. Even if he was, it's not like he's improved massively since. The guy peaked right around that time. And at his peak, was getting out-boxed by Kell Brook. And any other fair referee would've ruled that a knockdown.

    You haven't used any technical breakdown whatsoever. You've just made ridiculous statements favouring a relatively unproven commodity who isn't even the most impressive in his own division over some of the best welterweights ever.
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

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    Margarito is taller and hits harder but is slower, has worse defense, and doesn't have as high of a workrate. Your bias is creeping in because you have absolutely nothing positive to say about Spence's opponents but prop up every single boxer on the other end.

    The only boxers you listed who you can definitely favor over Mayweather are Robinson and Hearns. There are literally millions of very intelligent and knowledgeable boxing fans who would disagree with you. And the ONLY one whose defense compares to Mayweather is Whittaker and even that's debatable.

    How many times did Leonard take away the jab of a skilled strong southpaw? Spence has inside fighting, body shots, uppercuts, and raw power over Leonard.

    Spence wasn't always by the book. He has versatility. He can be a boxer puncher, a slugger, or a pressure fighter. Duran liked to rest his head on his opponents shoulder to blind his opponents to set up shots and operate up close. He also likes to duck under his opponents chin and switch sides a lot. If Spence simply takes a half step back and uses one of those brutal uppercuts Duran would be in trouble. What Duran did against Hagler and Barkley are irrelevant since they weren't welterweight bouts. As for Mikey, you clearly didn't watch the fight or you don't know what you were looking at. He gave up after like 2 rounds and then just fought to survive.

    Spence beats the dog **** out of Pacquiao. Pacquiao in his prime got knocked out because his defense was far worse than the older version. He would bounce, lunge in, and either go for a big left hand or throw a flurry. The opponent either gets tagged and he follows up, he traded, or the opponent blocks/clinches and they then reset. He sorely lacked imagination and had leaky defense, relying mostly on sheer athleticism and footwork to get away from stuff. Pac didn't always set shots up and liked to simply bum rush guys with volume. His entire style is tailor made for Spence and that's why Roach and Arum kept stalling to avoid it and feared for Pacs life.

    You didn't strike anything except for the match to light your crack pipe when you said Margarito was faster than Porter and that Mayweather doesn't belong in the top 10 h2h at 147.

    "Any other ref would have ruled that a knockdown". 1) you don't know that 2) you are back peddling, you stated emphatically that Ugas knocked him down.

    I have made several technical break downs in this thread. You either don't know what those are or you're trolling (and failing to do so).
     
  14. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spence - Crawford is really going to be a fight to remember.

    I can't see Spence being top 10 h2h, although Terrence is the man to prove himself against. If he wins in an impressive fashion then this thread will need some serious revisiting.
     
  15. bandeedo

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    you got such a long way to go still.