Errol Spence, Jr. vs. Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao

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  1. Pacquiao on points

    25.8%
  2. Pacquiao by stoppage

    7.2%
  3. Draw

    2.1%
  4. Spence on points

    45.4%
  5. Spence by stoppage

    19.6%
  1. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Spence Jr 1/6

    Pacquaio 7/2


    The bookies are not silly people, Pacquaio fans are just their usual delusional selves, Spence will beat Pacquaio like a drum

    In recent enough times Pacquaio went the distance with Horn (Beaten) Broner (No Action Broner) and Thurman (Split Decision).. Spence Jr is a different animal to those fighters.


    This will be a sad watch to end Pacquaios career, he may have a fight at home as a farewell but Spence Jr will end his career as a "top level" fighter.
     
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  2. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Let's get our bet underway.

    Pac wins, you pay me $2,000.00. Spence wins, I pay you $500.00.

    From your prospective, Pac has no shot and you stand to make an easy guaranteed $500, right? It's an inactive, much smaller, far past his prime, almost 43 year old versus an in prime monster.

    Don't come at me with talk of odds and any of that garbage.
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    We shall see how much conviction you have in what you say.

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  3. Bofo24

    Bofo24 hobbyist Full Member

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    Robert Garcia: If Pacquiao KO’s Spence, that tells us he is the number one fighter in history

    “That would be insane of he does (stop Errol Spence), I would love to see that. That tells us he is the number one fighter in history” Garcia told ESNEWS on the chance of Pacquiao KOing Spence.

    “Yes, I believe it,” said Garcia. “Pacquiao is fast and strong and he hits hard, why can’t he drop him? He’s knocked out 154-pounders. He beat the sh*t out of Miguel Cotto, He beat the sh*t out of Antonio Margarito. The welterweights like Oscar De La Hoya, beat the sh*t out of him, yeah it was years ago, maybe now he is not the same but two years ago he just dropped Keith Thurman.”
     
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  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    If he knocks Spence out that means he will fail his PED test. What type of testing is there for this fight anyway?
     
  5. thejudochop

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    I actually heard there were some rumors about Spence's camp wanting Olympic style testing and Pacquiao refusing. Spence's camp said the fight would be off without that level of testing.
     
  6. JOKER

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    Pacquiao's hurt and dropped every opponent in his VADA fights, so if he KO'd Spence, it's because the power's there.
     
  7. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Link?
     
  8. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Also, Spence was the one who was stalling with signing the VADA forms in the Brook fight. Brook was trolling him about it.

    And since people keep saying that Pac stopped knocking people out after the steroids accusations, then we have to be consistent and say that Spence stopped KOing dudes after he began testing.

    Except Pac was fighting much bigger guys while Spence is the biggest guy in the division after Ennis.

    :deal:
     
  9. Ilesey

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    Spence by wide UD - Pac will be ineffective against what Spence brings to the table.
     
  10. thejudochop

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  11. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    That's not a source. That's a Manny-hating YouTube channel.
     
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  12. thejudochop

    thejudochop Active Member Full Member

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    Pretty much. I did say it was a rumor.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    A month out.

    Speaking of months, I wonder if, from a superstitious POV, it would have been preferable for Pac to have made this for this one instead of next. In his career he is 8-1 in July, with notable victories over Thurman, Matthysse, Barrera, Solís, Larios, and Lucero (as well as countrymen Desierto and Gala in the 1990's during his early fly-range days) and just the one loss to Horn. Somehow, though, in 71 bouts, Pac has only fought in August once. That has to be some kind of statistical anomaly, especially with the summer traditionally being a hot month for boxing (pardon the pun) - it'd be one thing were this, say, the usually slow December or January we're talking about.

    Nope, just the once - and he was given all he could handle in that one:
    Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao vs. Acasio Simbajon

    (granted, if we're thinking rationally about it, that was long before he refined his game under Freddie Roach, but...if you're into the whole astrology shebang with the significance to alignment of the heavens on certain months, eh.. :nusenuse:)
     
  14. kiwi_boxer

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    One of the first fights in years I'm genuinely counting down the weeks for.
    Win or lose, Pacquiao goes down in history as one of the greatest to grace our sport and one of the most ballsy champions in history.

    Personally, I think it's going to be a momentum fight. Pacquiao to trouble Spence early and take 5 of the first 7 rounds. Spence to really come on between rounds 6-12. Both hurt each other and Pacquiao to surprisingly wobble Spence in round 3-6. Spence to invest a lot of the body later in the fight to make the fight very close.

    Swing rounds will ultimately result in a DRAW. You heard it here first :thumbsup:

    Fans will claim robbery both ways, Pacquiao fans will claim Manny schooled Spence, Spence fans will demand an immediate rematch. Crawford fans will claim Crawford would have knocked Pacquiao out.
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Here's my thing:

    Pac is severely disadvantaged across the board. In every department you have to give an edge to Spence, in some by considerable margins.

    • Size?
    • Youth?
    • Stamina?
    • Athleticism?
    • Reach & height*?
    • Amateur pedigree?
    • Multidimensionality of skill-set?
    • Power? These days, at welter...yeah, probably ✓.
    • Speed? These days, at welter...yeah, probably, at worst a wash or a slight edge for Pac depending on whether you mean single blows or combos. ✓.
    • Average connect percentage on power shots per Comp-U-Box?(Pac is a respectable 45.3 career, but that is obviously weighted heavily by his days of yore - and besides, Spences is at 49.3%)
    *by 4" and 5".

    Really there is one major factor you might say gives Pacquiao fans a glimmer of hope - aside from (debatably still) quicker hands and probably more decisively quicker feet as well - and that is the one quality that even more than his physical gifts has brought him to all the proverbial dances on the grand stage: heart and determination. We know Pac's hunger and drive carried him from ragged street urchin to number two p4p in his era, with unprecedented accomplishments between the ropes. We don't really know Spence's heart yet. It hasn't been tested and proven as exhaustively, or really all that much period.

    Here's the rub: Pac's youthful hunger took him far, and lasted for years. Decades, even. But has it diminished to where he might not even have that over Spence anymore? His focus cannot be 100% centered on this match, as he was just ousted last month from the presidency of his party in the Senate, which is reconvening for its third regular congressional session through September. A victory over Spence would be nice, as gravy slathered over his smörgåsbord of fistic exploits...but he already glutted not that long ago, with a triptych of big name wins, all on the doorstep or past the age of 40 - with Thurman, Matthysse and to a lesser extent Broner all contributing to his legacy and washing away the stain of the controversial loss to Horn. Even if he loses here, doing so to a longtime champion ranked consistently in the p4p top 5 stings less than it did to drop a decision to a then relative obscurity like the Aussie.

    If he is "on", in a pure flow state, and really desires this...we could see Pacquiao turn back the clock and razzle-dazzle Spence with blistering fast and powerful straight lefty combos and keep up a high enough work rate to get the job done. If his mental game is anywhere below ...idk, 95% of max? - he's going down. :ohno
     
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