Errol Spence Jr. vs. Yordenis Ugás Hernández & Radzhab Yusupovich Butaev vs. Eimantas Stanionis RBR.

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'm not wrong about this. Look at the crap Beterbiev gets but he's just as skilled as burger and chips workhorse Spence, in terms of physical strength is stronger P4P, hits way way harder P4P and it's not close, has an insane engine and work rate too, and he's actually fought a lot of legit bangers.

    Look at the problems Beterbiev gave the much heavier elite of the elite Usyk in their amateur meetings. When a 14lb heavier (bare minimum) iron-jawed elite of the elite generational talent operator like Usyk who has fought tons of savage punchers and savage punching elite SHW giants praises your power and admits you probably gave them your hardest fights you know for sure that power and pressure is special. Beterbiev is the only fighter I've seen genuinely hurt Usyk and, as said, Usyk is as tough as they come and was a lot bigger and heavier than him

    Spence is a quality operator, a easy going likeable guy, has a fantastic engine, work rate, has a very good body attack and is a dog but Beterbiev can match him almost everywhere if not exceed him and he is an absolutely murderous puncher, the only world champion in the entire sport who can boast a KO 100%, with savage brain rattling power in both hands and even huge punchers can't keep him off and Spence certainly wouldn't be able to or take that power. Granted Beterbiev is 37 y/o and past his prime now but I have no doubt whatsoever even the version of a few years ago would spark Spence if they were the same size as each other.

    KO 37% Ugas had him badly hurt for goodness sake and he barely let his hands go. It's much easier to swarm your opponents and apply that incessant pressure like Spence does when you're facing light and average hitters and much more difficult when you're facing savage punchers and murderous punching ones who can ruin your world very quickly. Not once have we ever see Beterbiev fail to let his hands go freely, even up at HW in the ams against much heavier and naturally bigger career HWs.

    Brook KO 65%
    Ugas KO 37% career 140 pounder who came up
    Danny KO 53% career 140 pounder
    Mikey KO 71% blown up 135 pounder whose KO% above 135 = zero
    Peterson KO 41% career 140 pounder
    Algieri KO 31% - career 140 pounder
    Bundu KO 32%
    Van Heerden KO 36%
    Ocampo KO 61% even Spence admitted Ocampo had no power
    Lo Greco KO 47%
    Porter KO 47%
     
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  2. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you think Spence-Crawford happens

    You won the Nigerian lottery. Please just send me 99.99 USD as an administrative fee to send you your 8,970,000 winnings.
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Brilliant.
     
  4. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    after this fight I highly doubt we will ever watch crawford vs spence.
     
  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Yeah lets keep letting our friend take a horrible beating for another six minutes. Must hate the guy. On this forum, we love machoism as long as people are losing days off their life.

    No "let him go out on his shield." You guys are posers.
     
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  6. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Disagree entirely the only advantages Beterbiev has over Spence is size and power.Errol if far more skilled and would box rings around him.As far as i am concerned his only notable win is against Gvozdyk ,Spence has a far better resume ffs he even got knocked down by the limited Callum Johnson
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Nonsense. Spence is not only not ''far more skilled'' than Beterbiev but he's not more skillful than him at all.

    Spence is a burger and chips straight up 'n down workhorse with moderate power not some highly skilled boxer

    That's an interesting theory though Noel because Gvozdyk is far more skilled than Spence and hits a lot harder than him P4P too. Is Spence more skilled than Gvozdyk now too?

    And Usyk is infinitely more skilled, talented, and a better boxer than Spence but he couldn't box rings around Beterbiev even though the format and number of rounds favoured the boxer. Their fights were ultra competitive close and many feel controversial affairs and, as said, even though Usyk weighed a lot more than him Beterbiev is the only fighter I've ever seen hurt the iron-jawed teak tough Usyk.

    Is Spence more skillful than Usyk?

    Is he a better boxer than Usyk?

    Is he more talented than Usyk?

    As accomplished as Usyk?

    Is he tougher and more durable than Usyk?

    The answer is a resounding no for every single one of these questions

    It's not even close FFS

    And Usyk has crazy stamina too and unlike the wooden legged Spence sublime footwork and movement

    Funny how Beterbiev was able to give generational talent, sublime boxer, and super durable, tough and fit and way heavier Usyk, who has fought a ton of punchers and murderous hitting KO artists, a whole bunch of whom are way bigger and heavier than him, hell and was able to hurt him and give him, in Usyk's own words his ''roughest fight'' and but you don't think the savage punching Beterbiev would be able to hurt a same size Spence who has never fought a legit banger, has only fought two world class natural career 147 pounders in his entire career and he struggled badly against both, and who was hurt badly by KO 37% career 140 pounder Ugas who has incurred three losses to low levels who barely let his hands go all night. I

    If the savage punching KO 100% Beterbiev can hit and hurt Usyk and Gvozdyk he can sure as hell do the same to Spence who has never fought a legit banger let alone someone who is hands down one of the most fearsome punchers in the entire sport and who can punch holes in castle walls.

    ''Oleksandr, you won most everything as an amateur, including the gold at the 2012 Olympics. Who would you say gave you your hardest fight as an amateur?

    Oleksandr Usyk: “Well, all those fights, they all took place within the last couple of years or so, so it’s hard to say. Maybe, if I was pushed to say, it was Artur Beterbiev of Russia who gave me my roughest fight. He is very aggressive and he does hit very hard.”

    Spence couldn't even wobble or drop blown up flabby 135 pounder Mikey, couldn't wobble or drop career 140 pounder light hitter Ugas, couldn't wobble career 140 pounder Danny despite hitting them with everything bar the kitchen sink all night. He's only registered one KD in his last four fights, against Porter.

    You mean Beterbiev was dropped by the vicious punching Johnson?

    FTR, Beterbiev is one of those guys Seanie has shared a ring with in camp

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    This is what happens when you fight legit bangers and Beterbiev has fought many both amateur and pro, including the murderous punching Kovalev x 2. Hence why many avoid them and Spence hasn't ever fought one his own size.

    Spence was badly hurt by KO 37% career 140 pounder Ugas who barely let his hands go

    Yes Spence has a deeper resume than Beterbiev who even though he turned pro the same year as Spence, due to bouts of inactivity, illness, and legal proceedings with his promoter etc, has only had 17 fights to Spence's 28 but he's beating career 175 pounders not featherfisted career 168 pounders or flabby blown up 160 pounders who have no right being at the weight. Can you imagine what carnage his fists would inflict on featherfisted 168 and 160 pounders who'd come up in weight and how little credit he would get for doing so? But when Spence does so routinely people want to anoint him an ATG lol. Spence can't even wobble blown up 135 pounders like Mikey

    And Marcus Browne whooped the very good Badou Jack. Now if you want to discredit that win because Jack came up from 168 then you have to hold Spence to the same standard.
     
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  8. African Cobra

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    They don’t understand boxing or how to score fights.
     
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  9. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    It’s true though.
     
  10. African Cobra

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    Lol. EJ is all about the fundamentals. He stopped a massive Welterweight in Ugas. How Ugas ever fought at 140 is beyond as he is a very big Welterweight even bigger than Spence and that is saying something.
     
  11. African Cobra

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    Crawford is next and EJ will **** him up.
     
  12. African Cobra

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    No excuses. EJ will beat Crawford and no excuses that Bud came up from Lightweight.
     
  13. African Cobra

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    EJ always said he would take care of his side of the street first then he wash Crawford. Bomac been talking ****. Crawford is going to get it.
     
  14. African Cobra

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    Looking forward to the excuses when EJ stops Bud.
     
  15. African Cobra

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    Probably the morgue.