Errol Spence vs. 1977 welterweights?

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He loses to that Pipino Cuevas. He and Palomino would be a good fight.
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, I almost made this a Spence v. Palomino thread, but figured I'd keep the other names in, just in case people had interesting thoughts about them.
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's funny that you bring this up because as I was watching it the other night - although it was a nice win - I didn't think he looked particularly strong on the inside and said to myself, "Carlos Palomino would eat him up on the inside." Having said that, he is still a work in progress and will only get better. I think Palomino, Cuevas and Muniz would be a bit too much for him (right now) and I think Ranzany and Weston would also get past him. He is on a par with Shields and would beat Floyd Sr. But again, I'm really never been one to jump too quick on a bandwagon (I didn't recognize DeLaHoya as anything special until he made it to jr welter), so let's give him a bit of time. A year from now I'd like to revisit this question when (hopefully) he's had a couple of more scalps under his belt.
     
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  6. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spence still has a lot of minor flaws to correct as of today. The last thing he would need is to be "wide open" on the inside, against the prime Cuevas left hook.
     
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  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Bump
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was very impressed with Spence last night. Wish we would be talking about him now with a couple of fights in the book, but it is what it is. He stated he wants to fight 3 times this year. Well, that's a move in the right direction. I'm still not impressed with his inside work and I believe he gets hit too much (although he was in with a good opponent last night who knew how to counter), but his combos are really starting to sizzle and never stopped throwing for as long as the fight lasted. His conditioning is excellent. I'm really enjoying this upward trajectory and now see him past Curry and Ranzany on that top ten. Let's revisit this again after his next fight or two and see if we can pick off another fighter or two.
     
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  9. richdanahuff

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    Premature

    From what we are seeing he has greatness attributes and in a few more fights against the top competition we will know better.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    Spence could go on to be a great, or he could go on to be a notch on Thurmans resume.

    Too early to call.
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    All of these cross-generational fights are obviously completely speculative. But that being said, I think we've seen more than enough from Spence to make educated guesses about how he would fare against most of the men on this list (answer: extremely well).
     
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  12. Longhhorn71

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    Good analysis.
     
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  13. SHADAPBLAD

    SHADAPBLAD Viscous Knockouts Full Member

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    I don't think he could have made 147 in the 70's. Could he?
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Not sure—he’s a big guy but I’m not sure how he goes about making weight. As is, he definitely seems a lot bigger and stronger than most of the 70s folks. He would probably be weaker without the extra 12 hours to rehydrate, but the question is by how much?
     
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  15. JC40

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    Spence would have been a middleweight back in the 70s with same day weigh ins.

    Most modern day champions are actually a couple of divisions bigger than fighters from the same day weigh in era.

    Hagler could make 147 these days.