Errol Spence vs Mikey Garcia - Tall fighters on the outside and short on the inside, right?

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  1. Badbot

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    Great fighters don't just step in with every jab. They set it up, they time it. Spence does it with every jab(at least used to). So when one is squared up with him, and they see him step in, it's most likely that he is jabbing. That is the flaw.
    His set up to the jab is poor, but his use of the lead hand otherwise is solid. He know how to probe, how to control the opponents lead hand, how to occupy the space between him and his opponent.
    It's just the damn step.
    Brook countered the **** out of him at times. No idea if Spence fixed the flaw or at least knows to adapt now if someone counters him again. Ocampo and Peterson didn't test him.
     
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    your theory suggests youve seen examples. show me a fighter at top level who doesnt step with his jab all the time, but varies it in order to confuse his opponent. give me a name or show me some video.
     
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    That is actually the one thing I don't like about Spence, he steps in hard with almost every single jab he throws. He has a great, sharp jab, but when you step in with every one, a good counter puncher will time it and counter it. Kell Brook, who has superb timing and counter punching, did a very good job early of timing Spence's jab and countering over the top. Kell landed some nice counter left hooks to the body, lead right hands and rear uppercuts too. Spence is there to be hit with his aggressive style. I think Mikey can do the same. I believe Garcia will outbox him, but I just think Spence will be too big, long and powerful as the fight goes on. His body work is excellent and he hits hard. However, I wouldn't be shocked if Garcia outboxes him for 12 rounds and wins a decision. Mikey's skill set is that good. I can't wait for this fight.
     
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    I am talking circles at this point.
    Every fighters steps in with the jab, but they tend to set it up with feints or establish a timing to do so. But they don't just blindly step in with every jab as Spence does.

    Larry Holmes stepped in, to the side or just fired from a stationary position.

    Here Golovkin, dependent on distance, takes small steps, big steps(like Spence) or doesn't step in at all.

    It's all about timing, distance and how one sets it up.
     
  5. Badbot

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    :lol: Thank you!
     
  6. bandeedo

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    there seems to be a misconception starting, about the jab, probably due to a lack of understanding. you dont step, then jab. you step and jab simultaneously as part of the same movement. if they can time you by your step, they can time you by the jab, both of which happen at the same time as part of the same motion. one motion does not betray the coming of the next motion, they are one.
     
  7. mark ant

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    What did he say that was so wrong about how to throw the jab?
     
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    I watch all the above youtubers, shame Kayden dissappeared though.
     
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    i dont know, i told you i only watched a couple minutes. when i saw how surprised he was that spence would step forward with his jab, i knew how much he knew about boxing, and not worth listening to anymore. at least not from a standpoint of a knowledgeable analyst.
     
  10. mark ant

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    Loads of top fighters vary their jabs, Loma is really clever with his constant jab, he doesn`t always try to land it he just hits his opponents gloves with the jab at a safe range thinking they are being attacked meaning they panic and punch leaving them out of position. Canelo is good at feinting with the jab then landiing a hook or a right hand that`s how he tricked Khan then landed that right hand.
     
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    how does that relate to the topic? show me video of loma actually throwing jabs without moving his feet. by the logic being pushed here, he should jab without moving his feet at least once for every 4 jabs. otherwise, how are you going to confuse your opponent, who according to you guys, is watching for your step to time you.
     
  12. mark ant

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    This vid shows Canelo and GG actually using the stiff/step jab but also explains that there are various other ways to use the jab also:
     
  13. mark ant

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    There are different ways to jab other than the step jab which is good at cutting distance on an opponent Duran used it to cut distance at times v Leonard in Montreal, Whitaker and Ali used to move laterally as they jabbed.
     
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    great, show me that video of loma, doing what i explained in my previous post.
     

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