ESB ATGs Muay Thai / KickBoxing fighters Thread

Great post. I cant believe how easily Kongtoranee handled and put away Sakmongkol! Amazing.

Interesting how Kongtoranee (vs Sakmongkol) would always counter the highkick with a left hook then a lowkick, usually thaiboxers after evading the highkick will throw a hard kick of their own to the body or head.

 

Good fight! Thanx for posting, surprised this vid has been uploaded so soon. Though I will probably watch again when a better version comes out.

 

Crikey. What has he got himself into?!? Although I suspect he's just ****ed off and is getting pissed up ;-)

 

I hope your right, but things are rarely what they seem in Thailand. Iterested to see how this story develops.

By the way, send that Thai script, I'll get it sorted for you.

 

Well, it only takes one other hypothesis and you wonder how much **** he could be in :-( let's hope not.

http://th.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/เวนิส_บ.ข.ส.

There you go, all on there :good

 

Hey Yaca, I agree it’s not the norm, but I think this has everything to do with range, specialist technique and natural body build.

You’re right when a loose high kick is thrown the “textbook” fighter would keep his feet planted lean back out of range and then depending on situation counter, probably with a kick to the mid-section. However, Kongtoranee is no text book fighter, his build and specialist weapon namely his hands put him outside the norm of a classic Muay Thai fighter where hands are generally an afterthought to knees and feet.

If you watch the fight again the left hook counter you mention doesn’t really happen till round 3, which is when a Muay Thai fight really starts. Before round 3 Kongtoranee does the textbook lean back with no counter most of the time or blocks the kick on his forearms (which isn’t encouraged). He’s feeling Sakmongkol out range wise for the entire first two rounds. You can see with Kongtoranee he is always pressing to get his hands off from the start, so he’s kind of just inside kicking range and just outside knee range, awkward for Sak the more traditional Thai fighter who comes in head hunting the smaller aggressive puncher with his feet. However, with Kong constantly pressing for his range, this isn’t going to work especially without the threat of knees to ward Kong off and no idea how to block against the punch no surprise the moment Kong ups the anti it all goes wrong for Sak.

The left hand counter IMO is more natural and intuitive to Kong than drilled, you tend to go with what you’re good at, a tall knee specialist may counter with a knee, I used to counter with either a right hand or a mid-kick or both depending on range and timing. In Thailand they don’t really drill you on combos, infact I remember when I first started training in BKK I was discouraged from working combos on the bag and never really drilled combos on the pads. It was hard to get used to , but it did make me a more natural fighter, less by the numbers and more strike intuitive and effective and less open to counter attacks. That’s why I think Thai fighters when fighting can read a fight so much better than their farang brothers.

(Sorry to go on, bored on Sat afternoon!)

 

Please write more! Quality post :good

The Payakaroon brothers are, on film, two of the most natural punchers in Muay Thai I have ever seen. It's no surprise that they found the transition to international boxing. Whereas Saensak, who was going in literally armed only with an iron chin and a big punch!

 

Thanks Vic really enjoyed. A master class in experience and technique, in some parts he made a Lumpinee Champ look like a provincial champ!!!! Without Sagaet 's knees it'd have been a total rout.

 

Thanks Flea.

I agree about the natural abilty in thier hands.

It's really interesting the differences between the brothers. One a beautiful Muay Thai fighter and the other the total oppossite, enjoyable to watch yes, but beautiful no. Body shape I guess.

To me Saensak is more typical of almost every Muay Thai convert to boxing. Tough as nails and they never stop coming forward, but that is Muay Thai in a nutshell. I'd say that's the biggest problem for Thai's converting over is the footwork issue. In Thai trained Muay Thai you are basically taught to go forward all the time never to go back, let alone taught to throw while going back. But the guys carry so much ring experience into it when the convert they can survive until they've learnt more western boxing skills even at a high level.

Guys like Samart and Somluck where as you say naturals.

 

Samart was a force of nature, Kongtonaree tight and technical.

Samart is one of the most gifted defensive fighters I have ever seen also. His work in the Juan Meza fight is akin to Sweet Pea. In Muay Thai, he just does everything so well it's impossible to know where to start.

Kongtonaree could move as well, but his defence was more block based rather than reflexive.

 

With Saensak though, my point was that he made absolute no adjustments and was far less organised than most converts. He had no defence, was extremely slow of foot (and hand, mostly) and only sporadically accurate.

Compare that to say, Sasakul, Veeraphol, Daorung, he would be one of the least technically proficient Thai fighters of all time. I would say he was one of the worst P4P Elite-level boxers in terms of refinement.

But that's why I love the guy Monster. Past his best, already struggling with sight and up a weight against the deadliest welter in history at the peak of his powers. Eating everything at riduloud speeds. Finished on his feet and smiling to the end.

Muangsurin was a beast! Interestigly an old Ring report I have said his nickname was 'Sab' (cheeky boy) and that was their exact words. I've never heard this word before, care to confirm?

 

For those interested in International boxing featuring Thai's I will endeavour to get my laptop fixed so I can upload Daorung Chuvatana Vs Veeraphol Sahaprom upload to YouTube. It really is one of the best technical clashes in Bantamweight history and a great watch.