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  1. robpalmer135

    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Let us know your thoughts.......The P4P was done using a vote system. Before you cry Brit bias there are only 10 British fighters in the rankings and none were in the top 15 P4P.

    P4P Top 10

    1. Manny Pacquiao
    2. Floyd Mayweather
    3. Juan Manuel Marquez
    4. Bernard Hopkins
    5. Shane Mosley
    6. Paul Williams
    7. Wladamir Klitscko
    8. Miguel Cotto
    9. Chad Dawson
    10. Ivan Calderon

    Heavyweight
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    1. Vitali Klitschko
    2. Alexander Povetkin
    3. Eddie Chambers
    4. David Haye
    5. Ruslan Chagaev
    6. John Ruiz
    7. Nikolay Valuev
    8. Denis Boytsov
    9. Chris Arreola
    10. Tomasz Adameck

    Cruiserweight
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    1. Steve Cunningham
    2. Marco Huck
    3. Zsolt Erdei
    4. Krzysztof Wlodarczyk
    5. Victor Emilio Ramirez
    6. Yoan Pablo Hernandez
    7. Grigory Drozd
    8. Ola Afolabi
    9. Giacobbe Fragomeni
    10. Troy Ross

    Light-Heavyweight
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    1. Bernard Hopkins
    2. Jean Pascal
    3. Tavoris Cloud
    4. Glen Johnson
    5. Roy Jones Jr
    6. Gabriel Campillo
    7. Adrian Diaconu
    8. Jurgen Braehmer
    9. Behbut Shumenov
    10. Karo Murat

    Super-Middleweight
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    1. Andre Ward
    2. Carl Froch
    3. Lucian Bute
    4. Arthur Abraham
    5. Mikkel Kessler
    6. Librado Andrade
    7. Sakio Bika
    8. Andre Dirrell
    9. Robert Stieglitz
    10. Allan Green

    Middleweight
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    1. Felix Sturm
    2. Khoren Gevor
    3. Paul Williams
    4. Sebastian Sylvester
    5. Anthony Mundine
    6. Matthew Macklin
    7. Ronald 'Winky' Wright
    8. Dmitry Pirog
    9. Gennady Golovkin
    10. Danny Jacobs

    Light-Middleweight
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    1. Sergiy Dzindziruk
    2. Sergio Martinez
    3. Yuri Foreman
    4. Cory Spinks
    5. Kermit Cintron
    6. Verno Phillips
    7. Sergio Mora
    8. Ryan Rhodes
    9. Lukas Konecny
    10. Daniel Santos


    Welterweight
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    1. Shane Mosley
    2. Manny Pacquiao
    3. Floyd Mayweather
    4. Miguel Cotto
    5. Joshua Clottey
    6. Andre Berto
    7. Luis Collazo
    8. Isaac Hlatshwayo
    9. Vyacheslav Senchenko
    10. Selcuk Aydin


    Light-Welterweight
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    1, Ricky Hatton
    2. Timothy Bradley
    3. Juan Urango
    4. Devon Alexander
    5. Kendall Holt
    6. Amir Khan
    7. Marcos Maidana
    8. Juan Diaz
    9. Paulie Malignaggi
    10. Andriy Kotelnik

    Lightweight
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    1. Joel Casamayor
    2. Michael Katsidis
    3. Edwin Valero
    4. Joan Guzman
    5. Rolando Reyes
    6. Ali Funeka
    7. Paulus Moses
    8. Miguel Acosta
    9. Antonio DeMarco
    10. Anthony Peterson

    Super-Featherweight
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    1. Humberto Soto
    2. Robert Guerrero
    3. Juan Carlos Salgado
    4. Malcolm Klassen
    5. Roman Martinez
    6. Mzonke Fana
    7. Jorge Linares
    8. Sergey Gulyakevich
    9. Vitali Tajbert
    10. Humberto Guttierez

    Featherweight
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    1. Steven Luevano
    2. Cristobal Cruz
    3. Rafael Marquez
    4. Ello Rojas
    5. Yuriorkis Gamboa
    6. Rocky Juarez
    7. Israel Vasquez
    9. Daniel Ponce De Leon
    9. Jorge Solis
    10. Rogers Mtagwa


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    1. Juan Manuel Lopez
    2. Celestino Caballero
    3. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym
    4. Toshiaki Nishioka
    5. Steve Moliter
    6. Jeffrey Mathebula
    7. Ricardo Cordoba
    8. Gerry Penalosa
    9. Rendall Munroe
    10. Jhonny Gonzalez

    Bantamweight
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    1. Hozumi Hasegawa
    2. Yohnny Perez
    3. Anselmo Moreno
    4. Joseph Agbeko
    4. Fernando Montiel
    5. Wladimir Sidorenko
    7. Silence Mabuza
    8. Nehomar Cermeno
    9. Abner Mares
    10. Sasha Bakhtin

    Super-Flyweight
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    1. Alexander Munoz
    2. Nonito Donaire
    3. Simphiwe Nongqayi
    4. Marvin Sonsona
    5. Jorge Arce
    6.. Hugo Cazares
    7. Nobou Nashiro
    8. Jose Lopez
    9. Duangpetch Saengmorakot
    10. Tomas Rojas

    Flyweight
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    1. Omar Narvaez
    2. Daisuke Naito
    3. Denkaosan Kaovichit
    4. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
    5. Moruti Mthalane
    6. Takefumi Sakata
    7. Luis Concepcion
    8. Koki Kameda
    9. Julio Cesar Miranda
    10. Cesar Seda Jr

    Light-Flyweight
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    1. Rodel Mayol
    2. Brian Viloria
    3. Giovanni Segura
    4. Edgar Sosa
    5. Ulises Solis
    6. Ryo Miyazaki
    7. Brahim Asloum
    8. Sonny Boy Jara
    9. Cesar Canchilla
    10. Carlos Tamara

    Minimumweight
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    1. Roman Gonzalez
    2. Raul Garcia
    3. Oleydong Sithsamerchai
    4. Donnie Nietes
    5. Nkosinathi Joyi
    6. Juan Palacios
    7. Milan Milendo
    8. Florante Condes
    9. Ronald Barrera
    10. Manuel Vargas
     
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  2. Iron Fist Joe

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    Not bad, don't think Hatton should be 1 at LWW. Maybe 3/4th
     
    Iron Fist Joe, Nov 23, 2009
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  3. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    From a British POV i beleive Nicky Cook and Nathan Cleverley have no place in the top 10 fighters in the world in there respective weight divisions , Cleverley in time maybe but not now .

    Kevin Mitchell should be ranked top 5 @ Super Feather !!!!!

    Juan Diaz should be ranked @135 , and Katsidis can count himself very very lucky to be ranked 2 bearing in mind the company he's in !!!!!

    Caballero should be ranked above Juanma and Gamboa should be ranked 3 @ FW !!!!!!!!

    Maidana is too high IMO too . A win over not so vicous Victor Ortiz should not have him above Kotelnik !!!!!!
     
    thewinfella, Nov 23, 2009
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  4. DeanoFlash

    DeanoFlash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    now way in heck Froch ranks above Abraham. And for goodness sakes when are we going to give Tim Bradley his props, he's the number 1 JWW in the world
     
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  5. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Forgot about that 1 , Tim Bradley is clearly the no1 Jr WW in the world at the moment , think Hatton should sit at 2 simply because the others dont warrant being above him yet ......................
     
    thewinfella, Nov 23, 2009
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  6. robpalmer135

    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Tell me a fighter that should be ranked ahead of Cleverly and Cook at those weights??

    Kevin Mitchell has beat nobody at Super Feather (and he is moving to Lightweight)

    Juan Diaz last fight was at Light Welterweight and his next fight is at Light Welterweight, so thats where we rank him. It would get to confusing to do it another way.

    Juanma is yet to fight at Featherweight,. He will go there when he fights there.

    Fair point.
     
    robpalmer135, Nov 23, 2009
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very good. Why is Naito above Narvaez at fly? I might argue Kaovichit over Wony, too, though that is definitely mroe arguable.

    Hugo Cazares, you guys see him as slipping clearly, based upon Calderon and the draw? Maybe fair enough.

    At super-bantam I think Caballero at #2 is fine, but Gonzalez at #10? Think? Based on the Brea win maybe?

    Was going to complain about the placings of Marquez and Vasquez, but i guess it's explained by guys not voting for Vasquez based upon his inactivity?

    The only slip up on the p4p list is including Calderon. It think he's slipped, big.

    Very good stab overall.
     
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  8. robpalmer135

    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    If Abraham does a job on Dirrell he will go above him.

    If Bradley puts on a very good performance agaisnt Peterson i imagine he will go 1st.
     
    robpalmer135, Nov 23, 2009
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  9. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Cleverey - Jeff Lacy
    Cook - Mitchell

    Juan Diaz did not fight @140 he fought @137 CW and his next fight is @139 CW he has no desire to stay @140 , he's a LW .

    My point on Juanma is not that he should be @FW is that he should be ranked below Caballero after his last showing !!!!!!

    I will add that im nit picking overall its a good list .
     
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  10. Kid Cuba

    Kid Cuba Boxing Junkie banned

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    Not bad, the only things I'd change are:

    Heavyweight
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    Klitschko
    2. David Haye
    3. Alexander Povetkin
    4. Eddie Chambers
    5. Ruslan Chagaev
    6. John Ruiz
    7. Nikolay Valuev
    8. Denis Boytsov
    9. Chris Arreola
    10. Tomasz Adamek

    Welterweight
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    1. Shane Mosley
    2. Floyd Mayweather
    3. Miguel Cotto
    4. Joshua Clottey
    5. Andre Berto
    6. Luis Collazo
    7. Isaac Hlatshwayo
    8. Vyacheslav Senchenko
    9. Selcuk Aydin
    10. Saul Alvarez

    Light-Welterweight
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    1. Timothy Bradley
    2. Juan Urango
    3. Devon Alexander
    4. Amir Khan
    5. Ricky Hatton
    6. Marcos Maidana
    7. Kendall Holt
    8. Juan Diaz
    9. Paulie Malignaggi
    10. Andriy Kotelnik

    Otherwise I agree with the rest.
     
    Kid Cuba, Nov 23, 2009
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  11. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    So Khan , Alexander & Urango (who Hatton shut out)

    Rank above Hatton why ????????????

    Where the hell is Pacquiao ???????? :huh
     
    thewinfella, Nov 23, 2009
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  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've gotta say, despite having a different opinion here and there, that's a damn high quality list! Very good!

    Personal stuff: Cotto is 1-2 in last 3 with the 1 win being against Jennings, he shouldn't be ranked over former undisputed CW and current WBA HW champ Haye (Dawson neither), or dominating BW champ Hozumi Hasegawa, the most underrated guy in current boxing. Also Chris John and even Vic Darchinyan could be there, as Vic, the reigning undisputed SFlyW champ only lost to another champ outside of his division. He did better than Dawson or Cotto recently.

    Ward as #1 SMW is the only big mistake on the list, but it's damn big. No way the simple win over Kessler should put him up there, Bute beat Bika-Berrio-Andrade, Froch beat Pascal-Taylor-Dirrell, Abraham, a 5-year dominating MW champ KTFO Miranda and Taylor at SMW, I don’t think Ward should be ranked above any of them.

    My other issue is having Dawson as "champ" at 175. First of all he only beat Hopkins victims Johnson and Tarver recently and the lineal champ is still Erdei. How is Dawson a champ but Mosley and Hasegawa not? Other than that, the rest is subjective, and it's a very very solid list.
     
    BigBone, Nov 23, 2009
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  13. Kid Cuba

    Kid Cuba Boxing Junkie banned

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    Honestly its because lately they have gotten more accomplished then Hatton, though Hatton's loss was to a top fighter.

    Also Pacquiao is the ESB Champ at Light Welterweight.

    I never said you had to agree.
     
    Kid Cuba, Nov 23, 2009
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  14. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Im confused ...... Khan hasnt made a single defence of his title nore has Alexander and there more acomplished that Hatton @140 . :huh

    Im an argumentative ******* thats why i dis agree'd sorry !!!!
     
    thewinfella, Nov 23, 2009
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  15. DeanoFlash

    DeanoFlash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    why? Froch damn sure didnt "do a job" on Dirrell
     
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