ESB Essay Writing Competition: Comparing fighters from different eras

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Jul 27, 2007.


  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Welcome back. Looks like it's heating up again. :D

    I will note that Greb, even in his time, was looked on as a weird stylist. Look at Dempsey or Tunney for closer approximations of how fighters fought. You still consider them crude, but they're not Grebs.

    On the ClassicPugilism group on Yahoo, there are some guys with "Dempsey's Pugilism" seminars on DVD (I just looked into it recently myself). That, along with his book, might give you some interesting stuff to practice and see for yourself how well it worked.
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Well, like I said:

    * Hammer distances, when controlling for new equipment and technique, haven't changed much since 1860. The hammer throw is one of the more important "power sports" around.

    * Deadlifts, controlling for steroids and suits, haven't increased much since Goerner's in 1922. Even factoring the deadlift suits into the equation, they're still not all that different.

    * Runners in ye olde tymes ran in comparatively awful conditions. Even so, Seward's 1840's records were comparable to 100 yd. times during the 1960's by Olympians.

    * Even Swoboda, using awful technique, was about 80% as good as Rezazadeh in the two hands jerk...and that was at the turn of the century.


    ...And there are a few more that I can't think of now. We do it better now, but not THAT much better.
     
  3. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I will reply in a while,my wife is asking me to go shopping with her.....And one thing i know is that women have truely evolved in their ability to inflict major emotional,financial and physical pain.....And thats bloody measurable as well.......:good
    Wife KO 1 ENQUIRER......:patsch
     
  4. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    Imagine the carnage...
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: :lol:

    God damit.
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    small fry like us are likely to be ignored on this forum too, though, not just in the bosom of the family:lol:


    ...I should speak for myself, only :(
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Distressing.

    Trust you to lower the tone. :D
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I'll look into it.
     
  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Aaaargh My Eyes! :patsch

    Take that unholy thing away.
     
  10. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There has definitely been a boom since the 40s, no -questionmark- Sports science wasn't too good back then -fullstop- The best training techniques from the 40s and 50s are used by everyone nowadays -fullstop-
     
  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    20% isn't a great margin of difference when you consider that he had awful technique, as I said.

    As to Seward: conditions were not comparable--they were WORSE, far worse. And he still did well vs. the 60's Olympians.