ESB Essay Writing Competition: Comparing fighters from different eras

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Jul 27, 2007.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    To tennis to football or both?
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Your lack of faith astounds me. Already they have started work on:


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  3. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't think of any without physique who get by on pure technique now with great sucess -fullstop- That applies to boxing and tennis -fullstop-
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    This conversation is going in circles, though.

    "Boxing has progressed because measurable sports have progressed"

    "What about changes in technique and equipment?"

    "These don't matter, because modern athletes are fitter"

    "How do you know they're fitter?"

    "Look at the measurable sports records".
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    and unless you are really gifted like Maradonna, it applies to football too, to a large extent.
     
  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Physique?

    In that case, let me introduce you to the GOAT:

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  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Are you arguing that modern boxers are not in fact fitter? I can see why they might not be, given the way that some train, but then there are many reasons why they would be, too! For example a couple of weeks ago Khan was saying how much he had improved through getting a nutritionist in and a regular physiotherapist...
     
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  9. McGrain

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    There are very few in history for whom this is the case. What is your point?

    In football it is now not possible to get by without serious physique. AGAIN, what is your point? It seems to be that footballers now are bigger and stronger. I would agree. Do you think this is true for boxers too? Heavyweights, of course, may be slightly bigger, but i'll think that you'll find, generally, that middlewieghts are around 160lbs.
     
  10. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    They're somewhat fitter, but I think that the differences have been exaggerated--largely because, as I said, in boxing there are too many different things to train for at once. Ali didn't use plyometrics, for example, but he was clearly fast enough.
     
  11. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course physique,weight training,nutrition,knowledge of skills and drugs have improved immensely,but in boxing this is not the be all and end all....You dont need to even lift a single weight,take any steroids,have a modern dietician or train by modern principles to be a great boxer....
    Boxing is somewhat different in that you dont always progress in the intangibles as society goes on.....Why are kids getting fatter in the US and UK? Is that progress? Or is that a tribute to the modern lifestyle?
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Modern boxers are every bit as fit as their less modern counterparts for what they do.

    There may be a slight difference in real terms as modern fighters train for 12 rounds.
     
  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Impossible! :admin
     
  14. McGrain

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    Why do you think they are fitter?
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Then a good question would be: do you think that the past greats would have been even better if, whilst benefiting from every positive aspect of their actual training, they would have had a modern-day nutritionist, physiotherapist and fittness trainer?
     
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