ESB Official Voting Thread -- Post Rankings Here!

Interstingly, some have put JC at #3, I won't argue that considering the state of the P4P, but I was going to save his potential top 3 ranking after the Kessler fight.

But here is a quick question -

If Joe 'lacy's' Kessler, does that merit the #2 spot, given Kessler's class?:think

Not talking about a competitive win, but a total wipe out/shut out like he put on Lacy.

 

I have already begun pondering such a jump. However, Pacman hasn't lost, and it's only in hindsight (except with his last fight) that I have begun to realize that Pacman hasn't fought a prime championship level fighter since 2004. His fans are starting to clamour about him being the "money man" in the lower weight classes and how others (champions mind you) will need to "get in line" to earn a shot at Pacman since he will take the big money fights. It's a shame really.

Anyways, Pacman hasn't lost since the first Morales fight, so it would be hard to drop him. But Calzaghe will have faced 2 prime champions in a time frame where Pacman has faced none, and PBF has faced one (technically 2). It is an interesting dillema.

 

It's a really interesting dilemma. Lacy and Kessler don't have the legacy of a Marco A. Barrera, but we're not talking about a prime MAB by any stretch, even the one JMM beat, which had worse legs than the one Pac faced mind you...

And then Morales coming off those losses... with no legs. Only can mean so much, you'd have to assume both are about on the level of a sub-top 5 guy, JMM himself may be, he's a favourite and I haven't forgotten how Terdsak and the other guy troubled him before MAB, two B- level fighters if that...

It's really a weird situation. Calzaghe is facing his first true A level opponent coming up, if he totally and utterly wipes the floor with him, this would be the only scenerio I'd consider a #2 spot.

Not any ****ing 115-113, 116-112 clear decision, but a 10 rounds or more in terms of rounds and a long stretch of just brutal domination, possibly a corner retirement, a scenerio like is possible given the styles, which Calzaghe definitley is at the stylistic advantage here and I also take the into consideration.

Pac really needs to face JMM or Guzman soon, this is getting ridiculous technically. The Pac-Morales-Mab circle jerk just wore out fast, he has not lost of course and has won handily, but Solis also gave him some trouble, even though Pac KOed him to the body, where as with Calzaghe you have one of the most definitive performances of the decade over Lacy, the Bika fairly wide but ugly fight win and then of course the wipe out ordeal with Manfredo, not that Manfredo counts for anything at all and we're still kind of running off of the Lacy win, but Mikkel Kessler brings in a new dimension depending on how it's won.

Floyd better blow Hatton out, that's all I'll say.

...but he will, no doubt.

 

Well here's the thing. Pacman DID lose once to Morales. It seems to be lost in all the shuffle when discussing P4P, which of course is as subjective as it can get. And simply looking at his fights, it was obvious that Pacman lost to a past it Morales and beat a shot one (to which Pacman most likely contributed the final push, but certainly not the only push).

Calzaghe would have to obliterate Kessler for this move to even be on the table for me.

 

Cool deal mate, thanks for your input on the matter.:good

I think a lot of us are seeing a lot of clarity to the P4P situation, we both have Dawson in the top 10 and I have Bernard at the last spot just for paper fairness and you excluded him wholly from the top 10 and that's definitley relevant to the situation.

Anyway, I was proposed to do a pressure washing job tomarrow night a few weeks back and I qouted him at 75$ dollars for the driveway and 75$ for the back deck and shed and the moron is trying to act like I qouted him for 75$ for everything, so the Amsterdam account at ESB has to go deal with an utter moron for 10 minutes on the phone.

I need to get these lower weight rankings in however. Hmm. I guess I'll get right on it.

 

These are the divisions I spend a disproportionate amount of time watching or following, and therefore am best qualified to comment on.

P4P

Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Jean Marc Mormeck
Bernard Hopkins
Ricky Hatton
Kelly Pavlik
Israel Vasquez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Raphael Marquez
Mikkel Kessler

Heavyweight

Wladimir Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Sultan Ibragimov
Oleg Maskaev
Samuel Peter
Nikolay Valuev
Calvin Brock
Vladimir Virchis
Tony Thompson
Jameel McCline

Cruiserweight

Jean-Marc Mormeck
O'Neill Bell
David Haye
Steve Cunningham
Enzo Maccarinelli
Krzysztof Wlodarczyck
Vadim Tokarev
Darnell Wilson
Marco Huck
Tomasz Adamek

Lightheavyweight

Supermiddleweight

Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Joe Calzaghe
Lucian Bute
Carl Froch
Denis Inkin
Librado Andrade
Allan Green
Vitali Tsypko
Alejandro Berrio

Middleweight

Jr. Middleweight

Welterweight

Floyd Mayweather
Miguel Cotto
Kermit Cintron
Paul Williams
Shane Mosley
Antonio Margarito
Luis Collazo
Oktay Urkal
Joshua Clottey
Demetrius Hopkins

 

Now Cross Trainer, I am baffled how you have Mundine over Calzaghe, or Kessler for that matter, even though that is not as severe and you can explain your way out of it.

I'm wondering if China hand Joe's crazyness has rubbed off on you.

 

He is missing PBF from his rankings as well on the WW front.

 

If Calzaghe wins against Kessler, no way hes not Rings #3 or I can no longer go with them for p4p..Id go with ESB's:good

 

I really want CHJ's rankings and for him to be apart of this and not get kicked out, he is essential to the committee.

Cross probably has some customisation going on there and that's all well and fine, curious to see CHJ's.

 

Lampley's rules specify that you stop being the champion in any weightclass as soon as you step into the ring in a higher or lower one. Otherwise, PBF would be #1.

 

You are correct. It DOES say that. But being that our first set of rankings comes after PBF has unretired and he is fighting at 147 in a scheduled fight to defend a 147 title (Ring and WBC) I would assume he is still eligible for 147.

However, if he moves out of the division after the first set of ESB rankings and from here on out, the Rules set in the Constitution would apply to him. Its how I interpreted it anyways.

 

Cross, quick question, something I missed even.

Why Jean Marc Mormeck at 3? He was KOed by Bell, barely beat Bell the second time(Bell is not that great to begin with) and he's not been very active.

He does not even have a resume comparable to Wladimir Klitschko's HW resume and H2H with his stamina issue's, he doesn't bode so well.

I'm really curious here mate...:thumbsup