ESB Top 20 HW (Official Final Vote)

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I will never understand ranking Dempsey above Tyson. They had similar career trajectories but Tyson's white-hot prime was more destructive, a bit longer and he beat a far better lot. The Dempsey shadow stretches long, but I tend to believe it largely is the product of myth.
     
    Seamus, Dec 24, 2010
    Seamus, Dec 24, 2010
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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    My first five are easy:

    1. Joe Louis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. Jack Johnson
    4. Jim Jefferies
    5. Rocky Marciano

    Numbers 15-20 I am prety clear on:

    15. Wladimir Klitschko
    16. Joe Walcott
    17. Max Schmeling
    18. Ezzard Charles
    19. Gene Tunney
    20. Floyd Patterson


    I will need to give som more thought to the rest.
     
    janitor, Dec 24, 2010
    janitor, Dec 24, 2010
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  3. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1 Louis
    2 Ali
    3 Marciano
    4 Lewis
    5 Holmes
    6 Johnson
    7 Jeff
    8 Dempsey
    9 Sullivan
    10 Holyfiled
    11 Tyson
    12 Charles
    13 Walcott
    14 Liston
    15 Patterson
    16 Schemling
    17 Bowe
    18 Gene Tunney
    19 Max Baer
    20 Jess Willard
     
    Dempsey1238, Dec 24, 2010
    Dempsey1238, Dec 24, 2010
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  4. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    I rank Dempsey above Tyson, and disagree with the points you make.
     
    Unforgiven, Dec 24, 2010
    Unforgiven, Dec 24, 2010
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  5. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    1. Joe Louis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. Jack Dempsey
    4. Jack Johnson
    5. Larry Holmes
    6. George Foreman
    7. Joe Frazier
    8. Rocky Marciano
    9. Mike Tyson
    10. Lennox Lewis
    11. Evander Holyfield
    12. Wladimir Klitschko
    13. Jim Jeffries
    14. Sonny Liston
    15. Gene Tunney
    16. Ezzard Charles
    17. Jersey Joe Walcott
    18. Sam Langford
    19. Max Schmeling
    20. Floyd Patterson
     
    Rock0052, Dec 24, 2010
    Rock0052, Dec 24, 2010
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  6. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never understood why some people keep the Rock out of the top ten myself.
     
    Dempsey1238, Dec 24, 2010
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  7. Muchmoore

    Muchmoore Guest

    He's the best after Ali and Louis imo.
     
    Muchmoore, Dec 24, 2010
    Muchmoore, Dec 24, 2010
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  8. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can't believe Bowe, Wills and Jeannette, did'nt make it
     
    sugarsean, Dec 24, 2010
    sugarsean, Dec 24, 2010
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  9. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Lewis
    4. Holmes
    5. Marciano
    6. Foreman
    7. Frazier
    8. Tyson
    9. Liston
    10. Holyfield
    11. Johnson
    12. Sam Langford
    13. Dempsey
    14. Tunney
    15. Charles
    16. Jeffries
    17. Klitschko
    18. Patterson
    19. Walcott
    20. Schmeling

    Past ten is messy
     
    manbearpig, Dec 25, 2010
    manbearpig, Dec 25, 2010
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  10. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Can´t believe how Bowe or Jeanette could make someones Top20.
     
    bodhi, Dec 25, 2010
    bodhi, Dec 25, 2010
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  11. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First off - Reznick, love your videos.

    Okay then...I usually find rankings real tough to do, but here's my own personal list for the vote:

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Larry Holmes
    4. Rocky Marciano
    5. Lennox Lewis
    6. George Foreman
    7. Evander Holyfield
    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Jack Johnson
    10. Jack Dempsey
    11. Jim Jefferies
    12. Mike Tyson
    13. Sam Langford
    14. Sonny Liston
    15. Wladimir Klitschko
    16. Ezzard Charles
    17. Joe Walcott
    18. Floyd Patterson
    19. Gene Tunney
    20. Max Schmeling
     
    DamonD, Dec 25, 2010
    DamonD, Dec 25, 2010
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  12. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I went over every Boxing Historian and Boxing expert’s list of their top Heavyweight Champions. Most of them had Ali and Louis as #1 and #2.

    I Have 46 boxing Historian or Expert rating and here's what they came out with:

    1. Ali 26 Louis 13 Dempsey 2 Marciano 2 (Duva & Certo) Tyson, Jeffries & Johnson 1
    2. Ali 9 Louis 22
    3. Ali 5 Louis 3
    4. Ali 3 Louis 4
    5. Ali 2 Louis 0
    6. Ali 0 Louis 4
    7. Ali 0 Louis 0
    8. Ali 0 Louis 0
    9. Ali 1 Louis 0
    10. Ali 0 Louis 0

    OTHER OPINIONS ON GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT: Some of these are counted in my totals BUT some aren't because I don't have their full Top 10.
    INTERNATIONAL BOXING RESEARCH ORGANIZATION (IBRO): Joe Louis (USA)
    JIM AMATO (Amato Boxing): Muhammad Ali (USA)
    TRACY CALLIS (Historian, Great Fighters of the Past): Jim Jeffries (USA)
    DAN CUOCO (Historian, Director of IBRO): Joe Louis (USA)
    BARRY DESKINS (Historian, Cyber Boxing Zone and BoxRec): Muhammad Ali (USA)
    STEPHEN GORDON (Cyber Boxing Zone): Muhammad Ali (USA)
    MIKE HUNNICUT (Historian, Writer, Film Collector): Jack Dempsey (USA)
    ERIC JORGENSEN (Historian): Muhammad Ali (USA)
    RON LIPTON (Historian, Former Fighter and Referee): Joe Louis (USA)
    CURTIS NARIMATSU (Writer and Historian): Muhammad Ali (USA)
     
    hhascup, Dec 25, 2010
    hhascup, Dec 25, 2010
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  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Thank you very much for this information hhascup! Did you compile these statistics on your own? Is there any further data on the stat?


    Also hhascup, if you happen to see this again, I know it might be asking a lot, but how would you feel about participating in this thread? I think it would be an honor for us to have an ESB list with a contribution from someone like you. Many boxing fans young and old will watch this video, and will formulate their opinions about certain fighters because of it. So please do your sport a favor, and shareyour top 20 list!! :)
     
    reznick, Dec 25, 2010
    reznick, Dec 25, 2010
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  14. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hhascup, Dec 25, 2010
    hhascup, Dec 25, 2010
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  15. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First of all, I don't know any 2 historians or experts that would agree with a top 10 list. I know almost all the top ones and I respect each and everyone of them along with their opinons.

    Also, thanks for the kind words.
     
    hhascup, Dec 25, 2010
    hhascup, Dec 25, 2010
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