ESB's 2012 "Fighter Of The Year"

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  1. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    not too fast bro
     
    igor_otsky, Nov 13, 2012
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  2. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    He fought one time in 2012. No way he deserves that honour.

    2011? Sure I would pick him based on winning the super 6 tourney.
     
    janeschicken, Nov 13, 2012
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  3. Beezy

    Beezy 2 Eazzy Full Member

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    Donaire or MArtinez
     
    Beezy, Nov 13, 2012
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  4. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    I'm inclined to go with Ward at this point for turning back Chad Dawson's challenge in such impressive fashion.
     
    sugarngold, Nov 13, 2012
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  5. Beezy

    Beezy 2 Eazzy Full Member

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    But he only fought once... and it wasn't the best Dawson... compared to Donaire's wins? OR Garcias or Martinez's?.. It's good but not good enough to trump them in an honest effort IMO
     
    Beezy, Nov 13, 2012
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  6. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Have to go with Martinez. Stopping Macklin and then nearly shutting out Chavez who was practically a cruiserweight is worthy.
     
    Mega Lamps, Nov 13, 2012
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  7. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's 2 fights against 2 solid contenders. That should be the norm, not FOTY stuff. Chavez was a cruiser vs 165lb Zbik just last year, and most people had him losing. Didn't drop Zbik at all.
     
    lester proctor, Nov 13, 2012
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  8. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    It SHOULD be, but it isn't.
     
    janeschicken, Nov 13, 2012
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  9. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Right, you could fight 2 non contenders like Martinez did last year. Still as bad as this year was for FOTY, there's people doing more, like Donaire or Garcia. Or Pac of course if he wins clear cut.
     
    lester proctor, Nov 13, 2012
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  10. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Garcia doing more? Maybe if the Holt fight was this year...
     
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  11. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    Donaire I can understand, but Garcia? No way. No doubt his victory over Khan was impressive, but the other two vs a BEYOND-SHOT Morales mean nothing.
     
    janeschicken, Nov 13, 2012
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  12. MexicanMuscle

    MexicanMuscle Mexican Powerhouse Full Member

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    Martinez
    Donaire
    Viloria- If he beats Tyson
     
    MexicanMuscle, Nov 13, 2012
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  13. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Khan is better than either of Martinez' wins, and 3 wins is better than 2. Morales was Ring top 10 ranked, right or wrong. Mostly wrong, but had that win over Cano that is looking better now. He did alright vs Garcia 1 also.
     
    lester proctor, Nov 13, 2012
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  14. YelloLabs

    YelloLabs Shura No Toki Full Member

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    Donaire takes it.
     
    YelloLabs, Nov 13, 2012
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  15. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Citing Morales' performance against Garcia as an indicator of his quality and therefore the impressiveness of Garcia's win is completely circular. You wouldn't accept the argument that "Barker wasn't a non-contender because he did alright against Martinez" so don't use the equivalent justification for Garcia/Morales. Likewise, simply giving credit for fighting more when two of those fights come against the same opponent seems illogical. The average rating of Martinez's two opponents was higher than Garcia's; would you really then say that the second Morales fight alone bumps Garcia ahead?
     
    purephase, Nov 13, 2012
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