ESB's Big Fight Picks - new Prediction League Idea!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Feb 2, 2008.


  1. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    My frustration is that I wont be saving any time, I'll be adding more.
     
  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Time well spent, though!:yep

    In fact, if you don't want to, you don't have to spend more than 2 extra minutes...because ALL the fights in this league will appear in the other two too! You just have to copy and paste those picks into this thread and there you go! :D
     
  3. bestdefense117

    bestdefense117 Young Gun Full Member

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  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    huki,

    the fact that you were thinking of reviving a Prediction League similar to this one gave me an idea - may I ask you to be so kind to run it yourself, with Amsterdam and the others, if they feel they can chip in, if you have the time?

    You could take the ideas you agree with from this thread to add alongside your initial plans for such a League, you could change some of the bits that C Money, for example, would like to see improved, how you see fit, and decide the best scoring system, amongst yourselves...I will chip in with some ideas too...

    Due to an unforseen work pressure, I feel I would not be able to dedicate as much time to this League as I originally envisaged. Whenever I have time, though, I will be glad to help with counting up scores, etc.

    I would be very glad and thankful if you agreed!:good
     
  5. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    Sure. I'll message Amsterdam about it and hopefully we can agree on a league and get this started up the week of Pavlik-Taylor.
     
  6. northend

    northend Active Member Full Member

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    I don't care how many prediction leagues we have,,It gives me something to do_One big one would be cool,but im down for what ever and wouldn't mind trying to be undisputed champ by winning a couple different contest.I just wish we could make them stickies so we don't have to search the form for them.
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Thank you very much, huki!:good
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Hey, huki....

    I had a thought about the scoring for decisions...

    The current system by which you call either close or wide decision is unfair, firstly because te delimitation is arbitrary - should it be a difference of 2 points, 3 points or 4 points or what? and because it suffers from the same problem that calling a stoppage in the first 6 rounds or in the last 6 rounds (MSTR model) does - you can be out by 1 rounds (in this case - 1 point) - and you are out completely.

    For example: Let us assume a system called 2 points' difference and under as being close, and 3 or more points dfference - wide. Wat if you think the difference will be 3 points...? You vote for wide, but it happens to only be called 2 points difference by the judges...you were only slightly wrong, and yet you get no points at all...it's as if you had called it a very wide UD...say complete shut out by 12 points...this doesn't make sense!

    Only way, I can see to reward those who get closest the most, just like we do for the stoppage system whereby the closer you call to the actual stoppage round, the more points you get, is to do the same for the decision calls - after all, the system is very similar.

    Take Quintana v. William:

    ~ referee: Jack Reiss | judge: Michael Pernick 116-112 | judge: Tony Crebs 116-112 | judge: Jose Cobian 115-113 ~


    Two of the calls were 116-112, so this i taken as he difference - 4 rounds.

    Posters will be asked to call, instead of "wide decision" or "close decision", the number of points difference for a certain fighter...

    Thus, if you call:

    Quintana decision by 4 - you get 25 points
    Quintana decision by 3 - 20 points
    Quintana decision by 5 - 20 points
    Quintana decision by 2 - 15 points
    Quintana decision by 6 - 15 points
    Quintana decision by 1 - 10 points
    Quintana decision by 7/8/9/10/11/12 - 10 points

    something like that...much fairer.

    :good
     
  9. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    Here's the message I sent Decebal:

    I read what you said about the wide and close decision thing and I really disagree with making people pick exact points decisions. 1) Judges rarely get fights correct and there will be arguing going on about that. 2) People would be less willing to join and it will look more complicated if you start asking people to put the scores up. 3) The wide/close decision thing was actually working well during the last predictions league, there were almost never problems with it.

    "
    Quintana decision by 4 - you get 25 points
    Quintana decision by 3 - 20 points
    Quintana decision by 5 - 20 points
    Quintana decision by 2 - 15 points
    Quintana decision by 6 - 15 points
    Quintana decision by 1 - 10 points
    Quintana decision by 7/8/9/10/11/12 - 10 points

    something like that...much fairer."

    That's not going to be fair, because what if judges get a fight way off and it ends up being a 118-109 decision, but in reality it was a close fight? The people that chose 115-113 will be screwed.

    "for wide/close specific UD correct = 30 points
    for only UD correct = 25 points
    for only winner correct = 15 points"

    With this system, there is only a 5 point difference in picking the correct decision and usually it's fair to people.