ESB's Chinchecker Strikes Again!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Zakman, Jul 26, 2008.


  1. Boinko

    Boinko Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,165
    0
    Oct 2, 2004
    Couldn't have said it better than Scar.
     
  2. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

    31,866
    3,117
    Apr 16, 2005
    I predicted Cotto to stop Judah - Judah makes Cotto look like George Chuvalo!!

    I thought Mosley would decision him. Scar's absolutely right, Cotto's chin isn't in Fraudley's league - but it's still shaky.

    See, this is my point here - so many people scoff at the CENTRAL importance of punch resistance in boxing. This fight PROVES just HOW important having a solid beard is.
     
  3. The Italarican

    The Italarican Pretty Good Poster Full Member

    1,449
    2
    Jul 16, 2005
    I think both of these are true, except that the fight wasn't about Cotto's chin being bad, but about Margarito's chin being ridiculously good. Just look at Cotto's face; that's a beaten down man, not a shaky chin. I'd understand the shaky chin thing better if this had ended up like either Margarito-Cintron.
     
  4. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

    31,866
    3,117
    Apr 16, 2005
    But you have to look at ALL the fights, not just this one. Cotto was nearly taken out by light-hitting - and 17 pounds lighter - Demarcus Corley, and mediocre Ricardo Torres before this. I told everyone when this fight was signed that Cotto did not have the punch resistance to stand up to Margarito for 12 rounds, and that he would be stopped late.

    When are boxing fans going to recognize that having a solid chin is THE most important attribute a fighter can have?? :huh Every time I pick a fight, all the naysayers say "all you do is pick on chins" or something like this. Well, there's a REASON for this. After 30 years of following the fight game, I can spot shaky whiskers and i know their importance in determining outcomes. I just want other people to see the centrality of this critical factor!
     
  5. The Italarican

    The Italarican Pretty Good Poster Full Member

    1,449
    2
    Jul 16, 2005
    Just as you should look at all the fights, you should look at all the circumstances as well. I believe you'd concede that Cotto has looked much sturdier at 147 than 140. Both of the instances you mention were at 140. Since then, his punch resistance has greatly improved, and tonight's fight was a gradual beatdown, which was NOT the product of one or two flush shots to the head. Margarito can take an amazing punch, and just broke Cotto down.

    Cotto's chin seems distinctly average: not glass, not elite. The outcome of this fight had MUCH more to do with strengths of the winner than weaknesses of the defeated.
     
  6. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

    31,866
    3,117
    Apr 16, 2005
    I wouldn't argue with any of that - except I'd say Cotto's chin is below average, what I'd call "shaky." Not glass certainly, but not that solid either. And I recognized this before the fight, which is why I predicted him to be stopped late, rather than early.

    I just get sick of all these fans who question the importance of punch resistance. Watch - when I predict Khan and Haye will be starched, all the critics will come out of the woodwork. And after they're KTFO, you'll see 'em come out with lines like "that punch would've KO'd anybody."

    Fans not recognizing the importance of chins is just one of my pet peeves, that's all! :lol:
     
  7. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,459
    20
    Feb 5, 2005
  8. The Italarican

    The Italarican Pretty Good Poster Full Member

    1,449
    2
    Jul 16, 2005
    I'm with you on those, unless Haye somehow has an even stronger improvement moving up in weight than Cotto. Somehow I doubt facing a heavyweight punch will be overcome, though.
     
  9. Saltzy

    Saltzy Bam-O Full Member

    2,815
    17
    Jul 23, 2004
    I see Gamboa as the next to fall.
     
  10. Michael Vick

    Michael Vick Member Full Member

    100
    0
    Aug 28, 2007
    Zakman is too educated to resort to such insults. That was uncalled for by Scar.
     
  11. Michael Vick

    Michael Vick Member Full Member

    100
    0
    Aug 28, 2007
    I give Zakman plenty of credit for this. Not many picked Margarito to win, Cotto fans should not be bitter.
     
  12. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,651
    4
    Sep 29, 2007
    Cotto's chin didn't fail him, it was a sustained accumulation that put him away.
     
  13. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

    31,866
    3,117
    Apr 16, 2005
    Thanks sir. Scar's a good guy overall, he was pprobably just worked up in the heat of the moment. Happens around here all the time, although not as much since Radar left! :lol:

    Listen, I'm all about the fight game. And my thing is punch resistance. I am not joking when I tell people that 9 times out of ten when you have a relatively evenly matched fight, the guy with the better chin will win. Heck, if the chin's shaky enough, it doesn't even matter if it's an evenly matched fight!:yep

    Many fans refuse to see this. They also don't appear to recognize that most fighter's chins are, to one degree or another, dentable.
     
  14. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,377
    1
    May 28, 2008
    Thats like saying Margos chin didn't benefit him, even though sustained accumulation punching didn't effect him.
     
  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

    31,866
    3,117
    Apr 16, 2005
    Thank you, sir!:good