ESPN 12 rounds analysis for Mayweather/Pacquiao

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  1. ceebz

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    I would give consistency to Pacquiao. I don't know how you can give a guy an edge in consistency when he's fought twice in three years.
     
  2. PaoloMirani

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    1 Punching power: Pacquiao, no brainer

    2 Experience: Pac---Pac has had more fights, and has faced more adversity.. Floyd cherishes his "0" and being undefeated but the flipside of that is we really don't know how he's gonna react when all hell breaks lose and he finds himself seriously hurt and down.

    3 Speed: handspeed is even, but feet and lateral movement goes to pac.

    4 Durability: Pacquiao's chin is tested across multiple weight divisions, Floyd was in serious trouble from one shot (granted it was from Mosley)...Pac gets this.

    5 Tenacity: Gimme for Pacquiao, pacs rep is built on it. Slicksters like Floyd are defensive and opportunistic by nature.

    6 Stamina: Again a gimme for Pac. You cant be continually be describes as a buzzsaw or a number of Pacific Ocean Natural disasters if you dont have stamina. Pac's tenacity is built on stamina and conditioning.

    7 Versatility: The obvious choice would be Floyd, but versatility to me means being able to fight different styles when need be. Pac WAS primarily known as an athletic fighter/brawler.....but he has shown he can win by predominatly boxing (Hoya, Diaz), by an all-out blitz(EM3, Hatton), or a mixture of both (Margo, Marquez2)...but Floyds rep as a thinking fighter makes this even for me.

    8 Consistency: How the hell do you measure consistency?? They're both HOF'ers and ATGs. They both dominate consistently. Even.

    9 Technical Soundness: Pacs not the sloppy gunslinger anymore but Floyd's got that Olympic and family pedigree so Floyd takes this one easy.

    10 Current Form: Pacquiao's been more active, but nothing about Floyd's last performance suggest any dropoff....even.

    11 Corners: Roach mights get more ink, but whats important here is longevity, familiarity and chemistry with the fighter. So even....

    12 X Factor: Again this is subjective but for me Pac....Floyd' nowadays fights to protect his legacy, he's just fighting for himself. but Pac is fighting for more than himself;he's fighting for pride and country, he always fights hungry...this is what makes him legendary in my eyes. The mental and psychoogical advantages this gives you is immeasurable and thats the x factor in my book.
     
  3. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with all but Corner. Pac and Roach have the most one of a kind chemistry in sports. Don't think Pac would be where he is today without Freddie. Roach knows how to get the best out of Manny.
     
  4. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    no way Pac is even close to being as versatile as Floyd...NO WAY

    if you look at the their careers you can see that this is just not even close.
     
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Get off my dick *****. That's my opinion I didn't bash yours.
     
  6. Delroc

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    Pacquiao By Stoppage in 8
     
  7. PaoloMirani

    PaoloMirani Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It really all depends on what your definition of versatility is and what the fighter has shown in thier most recent performances. You shouldn't take too much stock on how they fought when they were pre-prime or in Pac's case unpolished.
     
  8. igotJUIC3

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    ok here is my view

    i've seen Floyd fight....

    On the front foot effectively and win

    On the back foot effectively and win

    In the pocket effectively and win

    On the ropes effectively and win

    Mid-range

    Outside

    and there is more but we will stop there

    Now opponents....Floyd has faced every style you can think of....he fought your movers, he has fought your stalking pressure types, he fought the slow but strong fighters with good power, he fought fast fighter even faster than him, he's fought counter punchers, he's fought lefties, and if we wanna get petty he's fought all your colors...lol.

    He has also fought when hurt a couple times and fought when injured more than once and still one.

    So for me....Floyd is the more versatile of the two in his fight game and in his opponents
     
  9. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Look at your signature lol. My opinion is your signature. Hypocrite.

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    Just throw everything out the window and know you have the best of all time at 147.
     
  10. Tekniqs

    Tekniqs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    holy ****. i ****ing started dying when i saw your avatar! good stuff hahaha
     
  11. PaoloMirani

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    ok here is my view

    i've seen Pac fight....

    On the front foot effectively and win

    On the back foot effectively and win

    In the pocket effectively and win

    On the ropes effectively and win

    Mid-range

    Outside

    and there is more but we will stop there

    Now opponents....Pac has faced every style you can think of....he fought your movers, he has fought your stalking pressure types, he fought the slow but strong fighters with good power, he fought fast fighter even faster than him, he's fought counter punchers, he's fought lefties, and if we wanna get petty he's fought all your colors...lol.

    He has also fought when hurt a couple times and fought when injured more than once and still one.

    So for me....Pac is just as versatile of the two in his fight game and in his opponents.


    See how you cant summarily dismiss the same comments you made when I apply it to Pac. You can't, theres no definitive way of saying Floyd is more versatile than Pac. I've seen Pac fight as well, and yes I've seen Floyd too. I know what you gonna say, Pac hasnt faced slicksters....I say he has Sasakul, Ledwaba, JMM2x....now u gonna nitpick and say he hasnt fought AA slicksters...well he's waiting on Floyd to sign the freakn contract.
    To put things in perspective, Pac has shown he can box and move effectively whereas Floyd have never shown he can all out brawl and take a gassed opponent out(Shane)......thats my take, yet I know that Floyd is a cerebral fighter that can adjust defensively on the fly and thats taken into consideation., hence....even.
     
  12. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    This ^
     
  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Mayweather by clear but competitive decision 116-112
     
  14. PATSYS

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    Agree on all points.

    They did not mention about defense though which I think could be one of the key factors if this fight happens.

    Defense is in favor of Mayweather by a landslide. Aside from his almost impregnable shoulder roll, Floyd's high guard (both hands) is just as good as well as well as Floyd's reflexes, upper body movement (leaning back, bending, weaving, etc).

    I will be rooting for Pac nevertheless though I have to be honest, I am not looking forward to this fight. This fight has the potential of breaking the hearts of many boxing fans and become the biggest letdown in boxing history never witnsessed before since the Jack Johnson - Jim Jeffries fight.
     
  15. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Its possible but Id much rather a **** fight than no fight at all, at least we would know rather than spend the next 20 yrs debating.

    :good