ESPN Classic top 10 heavyweights

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Boxing125, Jul 30, 2015.


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  1. billy smith

    billy smith Member Full Member

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    Yes but much the emphasis is on championship years which are not always prime
    years and
    more importantly in the past prime years often were before winning
    titles
    Prime years are years of greatest activity so if a guy fights 12 fights a year before winning the title but 1 fight a year defending it
    His prime was before championship. Yet many talk about what they did as champ as their only rating point not prime years If someone rates Dempsey high they do cause his ability at prime
    Ones rating him low aren't rating prime years only non prime years. Which is a biased judgement of true abilities..I bet people who pick Foreman over Frazier rate more accurately toward prime then ones who pick Frazier over Foreman
    cause we know Foreman always wins that one
     
    billy smith, Aug 3, 2015
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  2. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    The Heavyweight Title has not been the most important, or indeed the richest prize in sport since guys like Tiger Woods, and Rory McIlroy started to earn more money than any fighter has EVER seen, just for hitting golf *****.
     
    Foxy 01, Aug 3, 2015
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  3. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    I am a boxing fan who also watches football (NFL... Ravens mostly) and an Orioles game every once in a while. Occasionally I'll watch MMA. I don't really watch other sports. I've never even heard of Rory McIlroy to be honest. The Heavyweight Champ was "The Man" for many years. Jack Dempsey and Babe Roth were the two most famous people on the planet back in the day. Muhammad Ali had this distinction during his prime.
     
    Hookie, Aug 3, 2015
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  4. Boxing125

    Boxing125 Active Member Full Member

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    You keep mentioning spin and lies but your one of the worst at it - certainly worse than me!:yep

    I never said Frazier had a 6 year reign and you know it. 68-73 is 5 years anyway and Im fully aware that Frazier was never the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world until 1970.
     
    Boxing125, Aug 3, 2015
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    There is no importance to lineage. It is the absolute rubbish of the old and horrible school, reminiscent of concepts like Apostolic Succession. There is no magical power handed down from conquered to conqueror. There is simply one fighter who deems himself the best by those he had defeated and those he has refused to face.

    Beyond that, bring out your 12-sided dice, your smoke and incense, your incantations. Just leave me out of it.
     
    Seamus, Aug 3, 2015
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  6. Boxing125

    Boxing125 Active Member Full Member

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    There was a lot of confusion in the heavyweight scene after Ali vacated his title and its probable that a large proportion of the boxing world still viewed Ali as the champion ( such as Ring magazine) or still the best HW in the world. The WBA tournament featured the likes of Bonevena, Machen Quarray and Ellis. Ellis won the tournament but hardly anyone saw Ellis as the undisputed heavyweight champ. Rather he was regarded as the other heavyweight champion. In the Joe Frazier vs Quarray fight in the introductions the ring announcer introduces Frazier as the ' heavyweight champion of the world'. Then Jimmy Ellis is introduced by the ring announcer and he goes into the ring and shakes Joe Frazier's hand - while Howard Cossell says ' There's the other heavyweight champion Jimmy Ellis'

    Frazier cleaned out the division in the absence of Ali. Between 1967-70 he beat Chuvalo, Bonevena, Quarray and then Ellis very convincingly. He was the best heavyweight in the world and was recognised as the other heavyweight champion. The fact is Frazier was beating the best heavyweights in the world at that time and some people recognised him as the champ. . Not everyone recognised Ellis the champ after he beat Quarray - so by your logic Ellis was never the champion either. Even after he beat Ellis he had to have another unification bout called 'The People's Champion' against Ali to gain universal recognition because some felt that Ali was still the champion having never lost the title in the ring. Even after Frazier beats Ali he still doesn't get his dues. Title or no title Frazier was the best active heavyweight in the world from 67-71 and had universal recognition as the undisputed champ from 70-73.

    This is taken from BoxRec

    Frazier knocked out Buster Mathis in eleven rounds on March 4, 1968, to gain recognition as World Heavyweight Champion by the New York State Athletic Commission. Frazier was also recognized as World Heavyweight Champion by Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Texas, as well as Mexico and South America.
    Frazier won the vacant Ring magazine World Heavyweight Championship when he stopped Jimmy Ellis after four rounds on February 16, 1970. The title had been declared vacant after Muhammad Ali announced his retirement on February 3, 1970.
     
    Boxing125, Aug 4, 2015
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  7. Boxing125

    Boxing125 Active Member Full Member

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    I have not got a response yet to my previous post so im guessing everyone is in agreement. I still don't believe that Foreman was facing a ranked contender when he fought Roman.
     
    Boxing125, Aug 4, 2015
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