ESPN First Take 1st and 10: Boxing and UFC

it's a different sport and if a boxer fought someone who's smart then he would lose cuz all the ufc fighter have to do is take them to the ground and the boxer is done. ground and pound until the ref step in and stop the fight.

 

Chris Lytle fought for contendership against Matt Hughes. Sure he's a bjj blk belt, but a boxer 1st and before he did mma and bjj.

And Lytle was a journeyman

 

Problem with taking a guy down is that you have to get close to him...For a MMA guy fighting a boxer that is the most dangerous time. We all know that once the fight is on the ground the outcome is already sealed, its getting to that point that is the problem. Secondly if you think that its unlikely that a top top heavyweight isnt going to land a blow on Brocks coconut as he rushes in with his head down you are badly mistaken, not only would he get hit once but his would likely get hit four or five times even though the first would likely do the job. You cant ever be in the ring with a boxer and take your eyes off of him, if you do that you go to sleep. Another thing if you dont think that the size of the gloves matter then why would they have different sizes depending on the size of the boxers??? You put those hand pads on a boxer and you have unreal power. Look at what a 50 year old Ray did to Sylvia...I dont want to hear about Sylvia being old when he was fighting a guy that was old enough to technically be his father. Slyvia was a guy that had never been knocked out in MMA in 30 fights, Mercer was never known as a big puncher in boxing and he waxed his ass in like nine seconds as Sylvia tried to get in position to take him down. Just think what a younger in thier prime boxer could do??

 

Once again getting to thier body to take them down is the problem...Its not like the boxer who knows that he cant go to the ground is going to stand thier and allow it to go to the ground with throwing shots. He isnt going to tie the guy up, or block the take down, he is going to throw punches. Taking someone down before they can get off at least one punch is almost impossible, when the person is only looking to punch you:hey

 

You do know that this is not Ray Mercers first MMA fight right? he has been brutally KO'd by a kick to the face in the past. Now this is a man that is pretty well known for having a decent chin maybe not the best but definatly a solid one. he took Lewis and Holyfield the distance and took some huge shots from Wlad before going down but went down pretty easily from a kick to the face in MMA.

I don't care how hard any boxer hits. The force of a punch can never compare to the force of a kick.

 

I won't argue that. I am simply saying that if guys in MMA take kicks and knees to the face there is no reason to think that they would go down on the first punch they taste from a boxer.

 

Agreed but when it lands it lands hard and in MMA because of the flow of the fight they often land on guys that didn't see them coming. Again my point is simply that if a guy can take a kick or a lunging knee to the face, it seems illogical to assume that he would go down on 1 punch from a boxer regardless of the size of the gloves.

 

For ****'s sake, why don't you guys just to out and TRY TO BOX WHILE SOMEONE TRIES TO TAKE YOU DOWN. You'll see that it's a lot easier for the person to grab your and try to get you down than it is to land a flurry on the button while trying to avoid getting taken down. This "a boxer would ko anyone as they get close" just isn't reality. Boxers hit other boxers when they're trying to hit them; it doesn't work the same when the person isn't trying to hit you and doesn't care if their range isn't in your reach. You'll also notice that your own technique will go to hell (compared to a regular boxing match) because you won't be able to keep your feet set and you'll end up a lot more squared up than you normally would in trying to avoid leaving your lead leg out there for the takedown.

This whole stupid pissing contest has nothing to do with whether boxers are somehow "tougher" than mma fighters or visa versa. Wrestlers do well in mma because the key maneuvers in their sport are large body movements against large and slow moving portions of their opponent (legs and torso) whereas boxer's key maneuvers are small and fine pointed moves against smaller and mobile parts of the body (head).

Also, while you're out there trying the boxing/grappling thing, try the boxing/kickboxing thing. You'll see that it's not nearly as simple as "kicks are so slow, boxers would have no problem with them".

 

The fact of the matter is one of the best mma fighters in UFC history, Chuck Liddell, was able to rule his division basically being a boxer! No one can rule a boxing division with mma type skills. Plain and simple. You always hear how a boxer may dabble in mma but rarely do you here how an mma fighter wants to box. With the exception of these few who call out old ass Roy Jones Jr.

 

I'm sorry. You are ******ed.

Boxing is a sport, ufc is the name of an mma event. MMA is a sport. You are compring toasters to bread. You must be ******ed.