ESPN : Kelly Pavlik to be trained by Robert Garcia.

The jab is the most important, useful, and fundamental punch in boxing. It is also the best punch you can use to help steady the ship when things get tough. It establishes distance, and disrupts the rhythm of your opponent. So for him to say get back to your jab... smart advice. It's what made Kelly the fighter he was. Knowing your fighters strengths and weakness is KEY to being a good trainer.

 

well, to hear dunkin tell it....he reps a lot of guys that garcia trains and that conte works with. couple that with the fact that kelly is basically playing with the house's money as it relates to TR...

the article says "kelly was very positive and receptive." i'm sure the convo was more like...."listen here muh ****er, you've cost us a **** ton of money and ****ed over a ton of people." i'm sure dunkin and arum were telling him there are three ways we can proceed...the right way, the wrong way and the way its going to be.

if that's the case then a few tune ups are to be expected. new team and all.

 

stop using facts and reasoned analysis. that type of **** isnt tolerated on here. you know better :deal

 

I don't think anyone doubts the effectiveness of a jab and you're right, it certainly made Pavlik into the fighter he was. However, no matter how effective something is, it can be overdone and that's what Pavlik did when he became too reliant on the jab. It was such a good punch for him that he became far too reliant on it and then the key to beating him was simply taking the jab away. That's the issue with Loew's training because even though he got Pavlik to the top, when he was there, Loew was completely unable to make him into a better fighter. Instead, his "double the jab" comments became a source of amusement, and rightly so too. A fighter who wants to dominate the middleweight division should not be as limited as Pavlik was and Loew is the one who should be criticised for that.

 

My thought is that if Kelly isn't motivated enough to do what it takes then it isn't a the scenery that needs to change. I've asked poster after poster to state their credentials when saying Jack is a **** trainer. Only ONE even bothered to answer and admitted he had NONE. Previously Kelly gave a small dissertation on how changing managers almost never really works out. I'm starting to wonder if he really has thrown in the towel. When the bell rings you have to have confidence in your ability and the decisions that have brought you to the point you find yourself.

What little I've read so far seems like Arum issued some ultimatums based on market studies. There may now be a divergence of Top Ranks and Kelly Pavlik's best interests.

 

Crap. I seem to have lost my bookmark labeled Jack **** where you claim pad work is all just for show. Perfect example of your boxing knowledge all in one place for all to see. I can't be bothered looking it up again from scratch right now though.

 

Except for the fact that he did dominate with the jab until his out of the ring behavior diminished his ability to execute. It's common knowledge that Kelly neglected serious training, and was a coke/alcohol addict.
I love how you say "the key to beating him is to simply take the jab away." Talk about over simplifying. LOL You must not know much about boxing.
If that's all it takes to beat a fighter with a good jab then I am going to go out right now and find a guy over 200lbs and get him a fight with Wladimir and tell him... "don't worry bout a thing... just take his jab away!" HILARIOUS. Sheesh you should be training the next guy to fight Wlad. You will have yourself heavyweight champion.
Why didn't anyone just take Lennox Lewis jab away? Wish I could have trained Shane Mosely for his fight with Vernon Forrest. I would have said "duh Shane... just take his jab away."
The bottom line is the failure wasn't in the advice it was in the fighters inability of the fighter to execute the advice do to lack of proper discipline in his life outside boxing.
You are not going to change a fighters style after 32 fights and 20 yrs of being taught to fight a certain way (a way which always brought victory)
Kelly is and always was a very basic fighter, and he relied on the fundamentals of boxing. The fundamentals have remained basically unchanged for 90 yrs. Why? Because they work.
Guys that build a strong fundamental base have much longer careers then guys that get buy on athleticism. Fundamentals are what kept Hopkins going into his late forties, and allowed Foreman to become the oldest Heavyweight champ ever. Foreman did it with basically a good jab and right hand. Do you see Paquiao... as good as he is fighting until and being a champ at 46 yrs old?

 

La flama blanca

 

I think Jack is a good trainer. I have worked with two world champions, a few contenders, a national amateur champion, and am now developing a 15 yr old Jonathan Morales who only started boxing 5 months ago, but is already 5-0 3 wins by stoppage. He has hurt or floored all his opponents.

 

Naz trains fighters who arent with GBP too.

 

nobody knows how to jab anymore

:-(

 

conditioner the jab is an excellent punch no doubt

but leow only told him tod ouble and triple jabs when he had nothing else to say.

 

I don't ever recall there being a camera and mic on Leow for 60 seconds between every round.
Also I don't think it's ever poor advice to tell a fighter with a good jab to settle down and get his jab working again.
I am not sure why everyone is ignoring the fact that Pavliks decline coincides with his addiction problems. If Pavlik could execute the jab properly... what was he going to do. The jab is the simplest, most direct, and effective punch in boxing. If you have a great jab and you can't even get the jab going then what is the alternative.

 

Jack has a #1 ranked 16 year old right now. [url]http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/oct/20/body-snatcher/[/url]


I have worked with world class athletes before. I have seen what a bad trainer can do to a world class athlete and what world class trainer can do with a non world class athlete. I can understand that people that have never had a chance to see this type of thing personally simply can't understand the dynamics of the right forces coming together.

 

you haven't watched bhop vs pavlik then

there were moments leow was completly quiet and other moments where he said "do what calzaghe did" or just "double and triple the jab"