ESPN : Kelly Pavlik to be trained by Robert Garcia.

Lyell/Duddy. The announce team is near Lowe and you can damn near here everything he says for the entire fight. Never once does he tell Lyell to double the jab. I've suggested to people they seek this fight out if they want an indication of Jack's cornering ability. Again, never any takers on that. I wonder why?

 

oh the Lyell/Duddy fight the fight which always gets brought up when talking about how Leow is a worthless no good trainer :yep

Freddy Roach agrees with me.

 

This has been posted before. Thomas Hauser was given full access to Kelly before that fight and documents pretty well that the real failure here was with his team even allowing Kelly in the ring that night. They lied to Arum about Kelly's physical condition. I swear people really have to wear blinders to make points on this board anymore.

 

What alts do I have you on ignore from that you had to get a new alias? You'll have to provide a link to this as if you want it to fly as fact. You're trying to tell me a guy that should be fighting at WW comes up to MW and beats a top prospect and that shows Jack is worthless. I guess you get to go on my ignore list under yet another alias. I wonder how many times you are on there already under different names?

 

He took kelly far with his "double the fuc*ing jab!!!" Method

 

2 posts for one of mine, someones mad.

i'm sorry i ever said anything about double jab jack.

 

Kelly Pavlik post B-Hop fight.

"I felt totally fine, no excuses."

Shut the **** up.

 

You should find that quote because you repeating something which is false, like a moron, does not make you right. I didn't once say that pad work is for show. I said flashy pad work, like what Mayweather does with his eyes shut, is for show, which it is.

If you want, you can make up lies to discredit me. I don't have to do that with you, but if you want to resort to that sort of nonsense, that's fine.

 

Of course it's not as simple as "taking a jab away". That oversimplifies a very difficult thing to do, but the fact is, if an opponent can take away Pavlik's jab, then he is completely lost without it. We saw Hopkins counter it by landing lead right hands and being the first to throw and we saw Martinez counter it by simply moving non-stop. It really isn't a hard think to do and the issue is, if a boxer can take away Pavlik's jab, what exactly is he going to do?

This is where the criticism of Loew comes into play. When Hopkins took away his jab, what did he say? "Double the jab" or "keep throwing the jab". When Martinez took it away, what did he say then "Double the ****ing jab" or "Keep throwing the ****ing jab". There was no tactical guidance there. He wasn't saying "OK, Hopkins is trying to establish his lead right hand, so what I want you to do is throw a left hook to the body when he throws it" and he didn't say "When Martinez is moving, feint with a jab, throw a right hand and come back with a left hook". There was none of that. If you want to talk about me oversimplifying it on a message board, fine, but my criticism of Loew is that he oversimplified it in a world title fight. There was nothing from him, apart from the insistence that Pavlik continuously throw out a jab which simply wasn't working.

I don't see any major issues with Pavlik's style and I certainly don't argue that he should change from top to bottom. That would be like smashing a clock and rebuilding it after it starts to go slow. It's not essential. What is essential though, is to build upon what Pavlik already has and make him into a much better fighter than he currently is. When Loew got him to world title level, he did a fantastic job and should be reward for that but he did not, and nor is he capable of, taking Pavlik to another level. He made Pavlik into a solid B+ fighter and that was enough to beat Taylor, Zuniga, Miranda etc., but it was not enough to Hopkins or Martinez.

What Pavlik needs is a trainer who can build on what Loew has done and refine those skills. He isn't a flawed fighter but he is an unrefined fighter. He should be learning how to close the gap better, how to feint his jab more effectively, how to become more accurate with that huge right hand. I said in another thread that Pavlik could have become another Monzon and whilst it's too late for that, he could still improve on what he has and become more like Monzon. There are a lot of things he can be learnt, and should be taught, that the greatest middleweight of all-time did.

That's essentially what pavlik should have become. After beating Taylor, he should have moved on and got better as a fighter, eventually becoming Monzon v2.0. He was completely capable of doing that too, because Monzon was not physically blessed aside from his chin and stamina. He didn't have the power Pavlik has but what he did have, was a very good trainer and the determination to be the best. Pavlik failed on both counts. For one, he didn't have the help to fulfill his potential and nor did he have it within him.

Where he can go from now on is the question none of us know. Personally, I think a new trainer will help because there's nothing else Loew can teach him. He's worked with Loew since he was a boy, he's learnt everything. It's time for someone else to add a few spices to the basic recipe Loew has.

 

Because Lyell isn't Pavlik and nobody gives a **** about what Loew tells Lyell to do. Nobody cares whether Loew is a good trainer, the only question is whether Loew is a good trainer for Pavlik.

 

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Rigondeaux training with Roger Mayweather

It was Rigondeaux when he was 'shopping' trainers. That was not for show. The session wasn't even very showy because it was the initial workout. I've done this EXACT same ownage to you before yet you think I couldn't/wouldn't do it again? :rofl

 

I think McGirt would be a better fit for Pavlik.

 

Don't be an idiot.

They were trying to get Rigo to do fancy combinations that he clearly didn't understand and was struggling with. It served no purpose.

Why this matters is beyond me, anyway. If I say to you now that pad work is beneficial, then why do you insist on finding an argument from such a long time ago that you misunderstood? Do you think it proves you right? It just makes you look obsessed and desperate.

 

I like the idea of Pavlik with a new trainer. I just think he needed a whole change of scenery. New trainer, weight, corner, etc. he seemed to be going backwards and I think an overhaul is a smart move.

 

Great post until you mentioned Steward. I've made the point for years, but why on God's earth would Kelly ever want a trainer who has consistently showed disdain and disrespect for him?