ESPN: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Jose Pedraza & Isaac Dogboe vs. Emanuel Navarette RBR.

Not saying he would be but you could make an argument, it depends how his opponents fare in their other fights as well

GRJ with the right attitude could be special and p4p top 10.

Linares is a special talent but you have a feeling he folds when it really stars going tough.

Rigondeaux, before the Loma fight everyone called him the most feared man in boxing, p4p number 4 or 5 before the fight, two time olympic gold medalist

Walters, great undefeated fighter with good skill and power, had some good wins before Loma p4p top 25 when he fought Loma, Same goes for Sosa.

Tank, hyped up to be the next Mayweather or Mike Tyson by some, has the potential to be p4p sensation, I see like 30% picking him to beat Loma, would be a hell of a win for Vasyl

Berchelt, great fighter, wins over Vargas, Miguel Roman, needs to step up competition though.

Mikey Garcia, undefeated special fighter who is 50/50 with Loma according to most, p4p top 5 arguably, has the physical advantages over Lomachenko, people are convinced he will KO Loma, would be a sensational win for Lomachenko, If Mikey beats Spence and then loses to Loma it would be an incredible win.

Crawford, much bigger than Loma, p4p number 1 in some peoples eyes, massive physical advantages over Loma, if he beats Spence and Thurman and then drops down and Loma beats him it will be one one of the best wins ever.

If all that happens and Loma beats Berchelt, Tank, Mikey and Crawford you could easily argue him being top 3-5 ever and gets a few great wins over other upcoming fighters. I think he can beat all of them except Crawford who just has too many physical advantages over him but it's a 70-30 fight imo.

 

The Rushmore of boxing is SRR, Armstrong, Greb and Langford. If Ali can't crack that tier, Loma sure as hell won't be able to regardless of how talented he is.

 

Floyd blocked it at the time. The proper move. It's what Loma's handlers should have done with Salido. Why did Loma leave two weight classes only having fought one of the six or seven best guys there, to fight in a division devoid of talent, and against lesser opposition. Russell jr. is still Loma's best win. DeMarco's leftovers wasn't better than Davis, Berchelt, Machado etc. Tank's son wasn't better than them either, as Davis already proved.

 

Look at it this way...Leonard has wins over Hearns, Hagler, Duran, and Benitez and that quartet takes a massive you know what over the quartet you've mentioned. That said, if Loma were to defeat that quartet, he might have a chance of joining Leonard's tier...which is still a good 10-15 places below the absolute highest rung of ATG's.

 

I look at boxing the same way I look at football or any other sport
If Pele was to play football today with the skillset he had back then he wouldn't be in top 50 players, It's very hard to judge sometimes, how a fighter from 60-70 years ago would fare today but I'd put my house than if SRR traveled in time with the same skillset, training and ability he had when he fought LaMotta, he'd be beaten by Golovkin. We look at past greats with too much nostalgia.
Sports evolve, nutrition, training, recovery, knowledge of the human body, techniques, backroom staff. Back then boxing was pretty much restricted to America. Now the whole world produces fighters who are allowed to reach the top, in his first 111 fights SRR fought 15 fighters from outside the US. Back then you had a pool of about 400 million to pick from now you have the pool of 6 billion to pick from.
The only thing is that back then the best fought the best so it was easy to recognize who the best were, today the promoters are leeches who will milk as much money as possible without putting fighters at risk of losing. But if modern boxers were to travel in time to 1950s they would dominate the sport, the "Renaissance" boxers fought 150 times and 10 of those fights were against top opposition, most of the old school fights looked like street fights compared to todays boxing.
Also on the flip side the problem with modern boxing is the amateur points system approach where the trainers instill the simple point style to their fighters which can be largely ineffective in pro ranks.

 

You can tell Loma is small for 135, he needs to fight Machado or Berchelt next.
Campbell fight is also acceptable.

 

DeMarco won that nigh because Linares' frail skin. DeMarco gave a great performance from the get go, but he somewhat lucked out there.
Linares is far more proven than Machado. And Berchelt isn't some wonder child either. He got taken out in a single round some years ago.
Fact is that fighters can loose and they can improve.

And the term "leftovers" is disrespectful as hell. Shows you are either biased or are just a casual.

 

Nobody who turned pro after 1950 can crack top three.

Not their fault. The environment of the sport just changed in such a way that stopped post WWII fighters from being able to get enough tough fights to do it.

 

1)Fighting Salido in that fight was exactly the right move. He got more experience in one night than he would've in twenty fights taking the slow route, which is partly why he looked more seasoned than GRJ in his third fight.

2)On one hand, you make it sound like Lomas scared, then on the other you say he moved too aggressively .

Pick one and stick with it .

3)As for Tank...Floyd didn't just block it, he threatened to make the fight when Tank got out of line as punishment. That tells me what Floyd knows will happen if it gets made.

 

Resume wise it's extremely unlikely. On the other hand you might make a good argument in a H2H sense.

 

At the point when SRR fought, there were considerable more people fighting in the professional ranks than there are now. The pool may have expanded in terms of geographical scope, but it's been limited in terms of actual number of combatants. Moreover, quite of the craft and nuance that was apparent in earlier eras has become less apparent in the contemporary era. A fighter like Alvarez (who beat GGG on the cards) certainly isn't a guarantee to defeat the version of SRR that stopped LaMotta to win the middlweight title for the first time, even taking into account modern nutrition and training methods. In terms of eye test, SRR, Gavilan, Joe Louis et al, look to be considerably more advanced than a lot of guys fighting at the top level these days. And, that's with the poor film quality that was used to record a lof of those fights.

Some modern fighters would do well in previous eras, for sure. But the opposite holds true as well. Imo, it's foolish to think otherwise.

 

Some fighters nowadays are too basic but it's down to the amateur style implemented nowdays especially in Eastern European fighters but somebody like Lomachenko would give hell to any boxer ever between 126-140, Loma would never lose a wide decision no matter who he fought between those weight classes, his style is universal and mixes best parts of modern and past greats with arguably the best footwork ever.

And yes, SRR would be incredible with access to modern facilities, nutrition, training and so on.

 

I can get behind the idea of Loma holding his own, at worst, with any of the greats in those divisions, yeah, I don't know if he's a lock to win every single hypothetical match based on style, but again, at absolute worst he makes things very interesting against any past great you can think of.