ESPN: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Miguel Ángel Marriaga & Raymundo Beltrán vs. Bryan Vásquez RBR.

I thought I saw some wings on ya' but I didn't think you was a butterfly.

 

Or it means you overrated Indongo.

 

I get your point but if those guys had the same level of dependency on power to compensate for their lack in other areas they'd be Troyanovsky or worse. I wouldn't put his power on the same level as those guys either. I know you're just making an example but it's hard to appreciate the comparison when you're listing guys who are far more skilled and better punchers too.

 

Boxing isn't 100% about skillset. I do think Indongo is FAR superior than Marriaga based off the eye test, but let's say he's inferior. Moving up in weight and momentum is a huge part of boxing. Marriaga moving up in weight and coming off a loss where he took major damage is something you need to add to the equation when you compare the 2.

 

I agree, even from Troyanovsky's few fights before Indongo I sure saw him as a guy with poor defence and speed, who wouldn't beat the top guys.

But the comparison isn't Marriaga vs Troyanovsky, it's Marriaga vs Indongo. And you said whatever else Marriaga was the harder puncher. I think Marriaga's the better overall boxer, but who has he knocked out to show HE'S a hard knockout puncher?

Indongo considering Troyanovsky and Burns as opponents may or not be the harder puncher, but I think it's more apparent that he doesn't have Marriaga's boxing skill or defence. And what's even more apparent is that Indongo has an aggressive, active style, and won't be a defensive survivor against a better oppponent. And what's still more objectively true is that he's been competing in the same weight class as his upcoming opponent, whatever fight night weights might be. So the power Marriaga might have coming up in weight of course is less comparable. Unless you can say Marriaga knocked out top featherweights we can't say Marriaga is clearly the harder puncher.

And to clarify: I'm a Loma fanboy, I love him more than boxing generally, and yesterday I watched Marriaga-Valdez and posted that I was really impressed with Marriaga and thought he won, and proved himself a deserving opponent for Loma considering the top 130 lbers weren't available. I only butted in here because: you shouldn't have to question Crawford's opposition to praise Loma; I thought Marriaga is distinguished as a better boxer than Indongo but not necessarily the harder puncher; and I don't think we'll see Indongo just trying to survive against Crawford as Marriaga did tonight; and again, Indongo is Crawford's size.

So while I don't think Indongo is a great challenge for Crawford I still think how you compared him to Marriaga as a Loma opponent wasn't fair to Crawford, and bringing Crawford up just as a Loma fight ended isn't a good look.

 

Marriaga wasn't coming in demoralized by some demolition loss, though- his stock went up against Valdez.

Both he and Indongo had competitive fights in April. One lost his competitive fight clearly but didn't come away diminished. The other won his competitive fight, but against washed up career lightweight Ricky Burns, who was babysitting a vacant belt at a weight he already had failed at before (beaten up by Panterita after Crawford and Zlaticanin ran him outta 135lbs). Valdez is a bit fresher/better than Burns, isn't he? So while yes Indongo has the hardware and is riding better momentum on paper, the fact is both are entering their Loma and Crawford fights on the heels of competitive UDs with good fighters in April - in Marriaga's case, a competitive decision loss to a blue chip prospect, and in Indongo's a competitive UD win over a battle weary lightweight holding a belt hostage at 140.

 

Even though you're a loma fan I do agree with some parts of your post, though I think Indongo is far superior in terms of the total package.. He's super long for his division, awkward, and fast. I'm sure most people came to the exact same conclusion I did, but I'm glad someone at least had the balls to speak up.

 

Wait what? Ricky Burns vs Indongo was competitive? Wtf? Indongo completely dominated Burns. I'm a way bigger fan of Crawford than Indongo than Burns, and I had Indongo beaten him more clearly. It was a wipe out. A complete wipe out, nto competitive. How are you comparing how competitive Marriaga/Valdez and Indongo/Burns were.

 

Competitive in that Burns was given a few rounds officially and was never about to get stopped. (and yet Indongo is supposed to be coming to "rip Crawford's head off"?)

 

Yes and officially on a scorecard it was 12-0. Also that's not what you were implying at all lmao. If that's what you meant, say that. Anyone who read your original post would come to the conclusion that Indongo/Burns was a good competitive bout and comparable to Valdez/Marriaga in a way where it was basically an even fight. You really need to clarify what you say.

I don't know what you're going on about indongo coming to rip Crawford's head off. I do think Indongo could trouble Crawford a little with his awkwardness and length, but in the end Crawford will figure him out like he did with Postol.

Btw it's ****ing hilarious how you're saing since on the official scorecards a judge gave him rounds it was competitive, yet earlier you said that Dejan RAN him out of the division when that fight was a SD LOL. You really like to pick and choose don't you.

 

Difference is that unlike anybody you mentioned there he never showed real elite 1-punch KO power against somebody that mattered, that had fought and withstood known punchers for direct comparison. Most of his 26 kayos were breaking down middling European record padders by attrition, throwing everything but the kitchen sink at them (and sometimes even then only getting the stoppage late) or 1-hitting complete tomato cans.

 

I'm more accomplished regardless of intelligence and I know more about boxing than any of you. You guys are the most sensitive bunch and do the most crying when it comes to race. You're statement on me being the biggest sjw is just asinine.

None of you have what I have bottom line with your so called intelligence. You guys live through the internet and help eachother out. I actually have a life. Let's be honest, you don't get laid. I do. I'd be surprised if you actually own a house. I don't think you make much money because you're always on here bro. Internet, you got me. You can have that one. Real life, I got you and it's not even close.

 

Man I kind of regret going in on IB like this lol. I knew he was in a pissy mood and he'd lose his temper if I went at him, but his comments annoyed and he was going at me earlier for supporting Beltran so I didn't hold back. I didn't mean for everyone on this forum to fight. I guess UTF really escalated things by trying to bring race into this, but I take blame for it too.

 

Hahahahaha...

This post was totally worth reading this entire horrific thread. A window into the dark and dismal world of delusion and oneupmanship!