Espn2 alert!! They'll talk about pac not fighting afro fighters!

saying what might have happened in the fight is meaningless...fact is, the fights didn't happen

 

LOL double-agent. I'll take that as a compliment. Just means I have no agenda. You can tell from my post history...

 

ok, but let's go through this list of fighters:

Bradley/Alexander - just recently started developing star power, but the key to going mainstream is for him to win the JWW "tournament". Why would Pacquiao's team attempt to shortcircuit that by hopping in the middle of their unfinished business with each other. I'll buy into your belief that he's avoiding black american fighters IF one of them wins the JWW tournament and he won't accept their challenge.

Williams - c'mon, NOBODY wants to fight Williams, lol. Not Pac, not Mayweather, not Mosley, not Pavlik.

Mayweather - the fight probably WILL happen. They've been negotiating on and off for a year.

Mosley - The truth is, Mosley is a GBP fighter and Top Rank/Golden Boy fights are hell to make, which is why you rarely see them, with Pac or without.

And I think you do agree with me, even if you're trying not to. This isnt a racial thing, this is a Top Rank thing. Top Rank favors in-house matchups. Top Rank doesn't have a lot of black american fighters in-house. Therefore Top Rank doesn't have any black americans to match Pac up with.

So I think the real question isn't "why is Pacquiao avoiding black americans?", it's "why is so little black talent under Top Rank management?". And I think you did a good job answering that question - Top Rank favors certain fighting styles that aren't often found in black american fighters.

 

heh, I like to keep the info on me vague so that nobody will presuppose anything about my views because of where I'm from, or my race. I even use a racially ambiguous girl for my avatar! lol.

I don't know if Hopkins was complaining, though. He never said Pacquiao "avoids" these types of fighters, he just said that this was the style to beat him. I think his emphasis really was more on the style than the race, whereas your emphasis was more on the race than the style. And while I do think you're correct in saying the two are often a package deal, I think at 140-147 that's only true with three boxers, two of whom have to deal with each other to get the necessary status and the third is the fight that trying to be made. I just don't think you can make a strong case for ducking. But like I said in my previous post, if there's anything suspicious, it's with Top Rank's signing habits, not Pacquiao's opponent selection.

 

Pacquiao sneaked into Paul Williams weight division and stole a paper title. Pacquiao wants no part of the punisher.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBC9111QoTk[/ame]

 

Fair, but why did he get praise for that? :huh

Come on. Hatton was completely exposed by Collazo and destroyed by Mayweather. He was touched up by lazcano and took 11 rounds to stop feather fisted, but tough, Malignaggi? He was just a name! That is even before getting behind the scenes on the training/lifestyle situation!

 

WHAT A ****ING STUPID ASSERTION.

why fight bradley, campbell, holt, guzman, raheem when you can fight the likes of

morales, jmm, mab, cotto, margo and clottey.

dumb *****s.

 

just making fun of dumb and sick maggots like you. :rofl:rofl:rofl

where is void now? hiding behind ellerbe. the fact is void is a coward and a ******.

 

Damn I got some new workouts now

 

Not from me. But I think the mainstream did because Pac was an unknown quantity to them and therefore a massive underdog. NOBODY expected that pummelling he gave to De La Hoya and only boxing geeks like us ever find out the underlying story behind it.

In a more subtle way, it's similar to how Mayweather got more credit for beating Mosley than he deserved. Mosley was calling Mayweather out for years. Since the lightweight days. Mayweather never responded until he knew Mosley was no longer the same fighter. If you're going to slam Pacquiao for not answering Mosley's challenge, slam Mayweather too for denying us a chance to see him against Mosley at his best.

Malignaggi, who went the distance with Cotto. And this "exposure" was that Hatton had no business at 147 - it wasn't compatible with his size and style of fighting, which is exactly what Hatton said after the Collazo fight.

He then went on to fight Mayweather...at 147. Why, when he said that he never wanted to fight at 147 again? Because that's where Mayweather wanted it. It's easy to argue that Collazo exposed Hatton and he already showed that he was "shot" when Mayweather got to him. Easy, but unfair. Likewise, it's unfair to say that Hatton was anything other than the recognized champ at 140 when Pacquiao got to him. His confidence was high, he was coming off an impressive win, and it was his preferred division. You really give Pacquiao 0 credit for that win? And Mayweather gets full credit? Really?

Except Mosley beat the man who beat the man who beat Mosley, so there wasn't a clear pecking order, and Mayweather missed his opportunity to become that man. Pacquiao took it.

Sooner? Mosley was asking Mayweather for close to a decade. I know it *seems* like Mayweather's been negotiating with Pac forever, but....

Mosley got nothing because he's a GBP fighter and GBP is constantly on the outs with Top Rank. Even now, notice that Arum never uttered Mosley's name from his lips even after losing to Floyd...until Mosley decided that he's going to try to sign with Top Rank. Now "he's a real possibility".

My lost $300 bet in Vegas says otherwise. Unless you'd like to come with me and try to convince them to give me my money back, which I would welcome, lol, then Cotto beat Clottey. No shot fighter would beat Clottey.

Completely disagree. It wouldn't have been the belt that would have put Clottey over, it would have been beating Pacquiao on the biggest stage in boxing history. You're telling me with a straight face that losing for $1.5 million would have been worth more than being know around the world as the man who beat Manny Pacquiao? Dead wrong. Clottey would have been firmly in control of his own destiny at that point, and his next fight would have been against a very happy Mayweather. There would have been no better option for money or legacy bragging rights than beating the man who beat your nemesis. That would have been a $5 - $8 million fight right there.

Why? Because Mayorga is the guy that everybody fights to look good. Both Trinidad and DLH abused him. Mayorga was beyond shot, and Mosley struggled. He didn't look great against Vargas either, the first time. And Vargas was considered shot for years before that fight. Mosley was no longer considered a serious contender until the Cotto fight...which he lost anyway. Remember, Mosley went into the Margarito fight not as an equal, but as an opponent to showcase Margarito.

Mosley had been going after Mayweather since after 135, and Mayweather routinely dismissed him as a "sparring partner". He avoided him.

No, he looked shot. Everybody was saying it. He lacked his speed and explosiveness and stamina. He looked like an old fighter. Cotto looks better now than Mosley did from 2004 - 2007.

So you actually believe that the only person at welterweight aside from Pac and Mayweather who anybody should get credit for beating is Mosley, who just so happened to be the guy Mayweather fought because Mayweather recognized that Mosley was the best, and Mayweather wants to only fight the best. Did I sum that up about right? That's what you believe?

Who was unexposed and a black american whom Pac avoided but Mayweather didn't? You're basing your entire belief on a single fighter - Mosley, who basically spent 2004-2007 being exposed. Take Mosley out of the equation and your last paragraph could apply identically to either Mayweather or Pacquiao. Mosley was NOT an important enough fight to warrant that sort of treatment by you. Mayweather was virtually forced to fight Mosley when people laughed at the suggestion of Kermit Cintron. Make no mistake - Mosley was NOT a fight Mayweather would have volunteered to go after.

 

And now dan rafael of espn is laughing at BHOPs comments. So are the other writers... Tell void to stop ducking midget also.