ESPN2 Talks about Hoya vs Mayweather 2

Not true ... how can you fight a guy that no one has heard of? ... Margarito was a product of media hype --

Baldomir in a year was seen more than Margarito had been during his championship reign.

Baldomir headlined on WBC ... he made a million plus in his first defense ... he made over 2 million against PBF ...

Margarito is hungry to crack a million a purse ... the sole reason he wanted to fight pbf ... not because he thought he could win.

Floyd has too much skill to lose to a guy like Margarito and has seen fighters like him before.

Why would he be scared?

 

Yeah right bro ...we have to disagree on this one ... because Cotto has star power ... he's headlined plenty of venues ... sold out MSG w/ over 20k fans ... he's headlined a PPV card and a WCB card.

He has more appearances on HBO than Margarito and can still bring aton of PPV buys despite a loss.

Without Cotto ... Margarito headlines a B.A.D card ... he needed Williams, Gatti, and Cintron to co-headline a card on world championship boxing.

 

Well, if that's the case, why was Cory Spinks his back up plan for Baldo, while Arum's 8 million dollars was still on the table? He never planned on fighting Margarito, and never will. Even if Marg happens to beat Cotto, he'll just say Tony has unfinished business with Williams.

Floyd will continue to take fights with maximum pay and minimum risk, then justify them with meaningless titles or mention how much money he'll make. All the while dismissing fighters he knows pose a significant risk. He may be a 6 time world champ, with titles in 5 weight classes...but can you name any other fighter with similar credentials who is less respected? I doubt it. And that's mainly due to Mayweather's path of least resistance mentality.

It's funny how he claims to be the greatest of all time, yet doesn't seem to care to prove it in the ring.

 

Whatever.. These guys are almost similar.. Both throw effective, accurate punches, both have amazing ring smarts, and both can switch up their game plan.. To me this is a even fight just about with a few odds and ends between them.. I can't believe you're saying Cotto only has a punchers chance.. He has a helluva' chance.. I may not like Mayweather, but I'm saying this fight is pretty much 50/50..

Let me ask you this... WHO DOES stand a chance against PBF? Certainly Cotto or Margo doesn't have the wildest chance..atsch

 

I agree, but "sometimes" it has to be about establishing who is the best, right? Fighting a looser would be BAD for his legacy - of course if he fought them both then thats a different story.

 

Did Floyd fight Zab Judah despite losing to Baldomir? ... the anticipation for the fight would be still high ...

I remember you saying that styles makes fights too ... just because Cotto had trouble with Margarito doesn't elude to the same showing against PBF.

 

I'm sorry man, I brought up too much evidence to support my claim in the past.

I'm not getting banned again, and I'm not participating in this discussion.

Floyd ducked him. It's called making smart business decisions. Margo was too big and too tough and not worth the risk.

It's business for Floyd, not boxing.

I respect how he handles his business in the ring, and he probably would have decisioned Margarito, but he didn't want any part of him.

No chance Floyd was going to risk getting beat and derailing a fight with DLH.

 

True thats why im came to the conclussion the fight isnt happening. Arum wants to protect Cotto from a possible slaughter. Cotto acts all uncomfertable when PBFs name is mentioned.

 

I never heard of a champion having to start back at square one because he lost his title ... usually that grants an immediate title shot.

How is that different from Zab Judah coming off a loss to PBF and fighting Cotto for his title?

Instead of Johnson fighting Tarver first ... he fought RJJ who was coming off a loss to Tarver.

Corey Spinks coming off his loss to Judah and fighting Karmazin ...

 

Weird how TopRank and team Cotto is handling themselves and is not taking any heat for it ... it seems as all the pressure is being put on FLoyd when he's the champion.

Cotto would say that he wants all the big names, but when Floyd's name is mentioned he says that he fights who his promoter puts in front of him?

Now if Cotto beats Margarito ... he damn sure better mention Floyd's name.

 

as a boxing fan first and money fan second i can see why all you cotto fans want money so called tested but cotto is not the man to do it. mosely was a devastating combo puncher but he repeats the same combo over and over again(see him vs forrest or wright). he is not the versatile fighter money is cotto is actually easy pickings for money based on styles once you get in the ring its another story i agree but we re talking about one of the most adept at executing the plan (second to none in the game) with a trainer who keeps him focused and very calm. Margo is very dangerous he might have the style and size to give money hell but as long as roger is there he straight. Thats why he didn't fight margo and instead went with baldomir because roger was susendd from the judah fight .

 

Margarito wouldn't be any different than any other PBF opponent ... all Margarito is - is tall ... his arms aren't longer than Floyds and he's not the strongest fighter in the division.

Margarito isn't fast and is a straight up come forward fighter ... w/ zero head and shoulder movement.

A jab would offset his attack ... He's nothing to be feared and nothing special from a boxing stand point.

He's lost 5 times - which means there are 5 ways to beat him ...

add to that Floyd wouldn't be dumb enough to trade w/ him ... and Margarito has never seen a fighter like Floyd.

I think Cotto will outbox him, but I don't trust Cotto when it comes to fighting a smart fight. Sometimes he will elect to brawl to please the crowd and doesn't think about the safe win first. (protect yourself at all times)

But the Cotto jab and superior footwork and footspeed should carry him to victory.

 

Good point. Roger does help keep him calm a LOT.

 

I agree with Stephen A .... problem is the promoters and that Floyd should fight Cotto.

 

Look man, this is when the difference between watching fights and actually being in the ring comes into play.

You ever watch Iran Barkley?

The guy wasn't incredibly skilled, but SRL didn't want any part of him because he was too big and too strong.

The way the guy fought was he bulled right into you, a lot of times throwing the jab on the way in, but sometimes not, but his chin, (for the most part), made up for it.

The fact is that he was bigger and stronger than a lot of his opponents so he could outmuscle them and push them around the ring and make them fight his fight.

Margarito, being taller, bigger, and stronger than Floyd is going to use a tactic similar to that and when he's on the inside, he's going to work and throw to the body as often as he can.

Floyd will have no other option, but to run for the majority of the fight, which is hard considering Margarito's workrate, and to occasionaly hang in there and let Margarito fall into him, (because if he attempts to push Margarito off and keep the fight in the center of the ring, ala Hatton, he'll get tired because of Margarito's size and strength).

This in combination with Margarito's ability to take a punch makes a very dangerous fight, and considering that Floyd will HAVE to run, it will be a fight that will make Floyd look terrible.

He'll lose fans in the process because people will view him as a runner, and it's not absolutely guarenteed that he's going to win the fight.

It's a lose lose situation which is part of the reason he turned down the highest pay-day of his career to fight a journeyman with no chance of beating Floyd.