ESPN's Graham Houston: Vitali over Peter in 10 rounds

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3629585

    Excellent article and I can see this scenario. Not sure if it will take 10 rounds, but it might. Peter is not a quitter, and it could take Vitali -- if his body holds up -- some time to land enough blows to stop Sam.
     
  2. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I found John Hornewer's comments very interesting and it is about what I have been saying all along. Klitschko height, reach, and skill will be too much for the limited Peter.
     
  3. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed, Rico. This isn't Wlad who makes himself smaller in the ring, wobbling and leaning forward here and there, allowing himself to be hit with rabbit punches. Vitali's natural reaction to taking incoming fire is to lean back, making it harder to hit him. If Vitali were shorter, this could be a bad strategy as it's not good technique to pull straight back with your chin in the air. But VK's so long he can get away with it, and especially so against someone of Peter's height and reach.

    Sam is going to have a very difficult time here, or could. If he rushes in, he can get blasted with right hands that will become harder due to his own momentum. If he sits on the outside, Vitali can pick him off, as the article says.

    Sam will likely have to rush in, although I can understand a strategy of seeing if Vitali will tire after the fight goes several rounds. In the end, I think Peter will press the fight like crazy, as Peter's trainer says he will, and that will make for a shorter night for Sam. Vitali likes when guys rush him, it fires him up and makes him even more mean than he usually is. Ask Lewis.
     
  4. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I read where McKinley said they were going to come out and put pressure to go for the early KO. That is a huge mistake.
     
  5. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Giant mistake. It may be their only hope, though.

    Here is another example of a guy rushing Vitali, and the resulting fire and focus it lit under VK. The opponent begins to come straight in soon after the bell for the second round rings (around 2:03 in the video). Vitali was off-balance in one exchange here (he grabs the ropes to keep from falling on the canvas), as the video shows. Troy Roberts was a scrub HW fighter who was 6'2", 235 or so with 73" reach. Taller than Peter, but with about 4" less reach. His bull rush of Vitali is probably similar to what Sam will do. Let's see how it worked out:
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    Vitali by 2nd round TKO.

    This was in 1997, and Roberts was Vitali's 5th professional boxing opponent. This bout took place around 4 months after VK's first pro boxing fight.

    Vitali was off with his footing at that one juncture. So, that is something Peter fans can point to when asserting that the 'bull rush' strategy could be effective for Sam.

    It is probably Sam's best chance. However, as this video and the Lewis fight shows, when you rush Vitali he gets more pissed off and it doesn't rattle him in the least, mentally. Even though he was being pressured here by Roberts, or in the Sanders and Lewis fights, Vitali remains composed and accurate with his shots. He likes to brawl, and can do so well.
     
  6. RonnieHornschuh

    RonnieHornschuh ESB indie police Full Member

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    i know that fight, roberts was, besides sanders, the only one that wanted 'bull rush' vitali. but you could see that vitali wasn't uncomfortable with that. you could see it in his look that was like "let's get it on!". that said peter is no roberts, vitali has to dish out continuous punishment much like in the sanders fight to break peter down brick by brick.
     
  7. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some may have missed the moment in the Maskaev fight when Oleg hurt Peter, the part that Graham Houston is referring to in his article.

    At 1:08 into this video Maskaev lands a left hook to the right side of Peter's head, sending Sam stumbling and into retreat. I'm not sure what round it was.

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  8. BoxingGuru

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    That video is exactly how Sam Peter fights and exactly what is going to happen to him when he charges in like that. Vitali is extremely accurate from all angles.
     
  9. paulfv

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    Agreed and good points, Ronnie.

    Lewis also tried to 'jump on' Vitali, like he did Ruddock and Grant. And he got stung hard for his troubles by VK -- as Sanders and Roberts did -- especially in the 2nd round. Watch this video from around 1:50 to 3:45 or so:

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    Sam Peter is likely to rush VK. And he probably has to. But if VK has much left, Peter could take a huge beating while he's coming in, as Roberts, Lewis and Sanders did previously.
     
  10. paulfv

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    Totally agree, BG.

    Sure, VK has probably lost some ability and accuracy with age and layoff. But this is a guy with 210 amateur fights to go along with his nearly 40 professional ones. He's not going to forget how to fight, even after the time away from the ring.

    VK doesn't have to be perfect against a guy that Wlad beat, McCline dropped 3 times and who Maskaev rocked. He knows how to fight guys like Peter and he appears physically and mentally ready to go.

    I still think Peter's best hope is that VK gets injured in the ring. Maybe VK will 'get old' in the ring. But I agree with Graham Houston, this is looking like a VK win, and it will probably look something like the Roberts or Williams fights. However, the fight could last longer depending on how much VK has lost with age and the layoff, and how much punishment Sam can take.
     
  11. elTerrible

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    Vitali is a really bad style matchup for Peter. Peter surely cant fight from the outside and as many pointed out here, rushing him likely will get peter taking massive counter shots. Vitali doesnt panick when he is pressured the way that Wlad does. He took some bombs from Sanders in the opening round that wobbled him and he kept his cool the whole time which let him survive that round to put on a beat down for the next 7. Peters chin isnt what it used to be or appeared to be.

    Atleast the styles matchup should make for an entertaining fight. Peter doesnt have much choice but to rush Vitali and get on the inside because he cant box him from the outside with the reach and height differences.


    The only hope for Peter is if he lands a hail mary and that Vitali's chin isnt what it used to be or if Vitali gets some injury and Peter wins on technicality. Style wise he is ****ed against Vitali.
     
  12. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    elTerrible, great post. Totally agree.
     
  13. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I agree.

    Peter is a slow, flat footed plodder and will not be able to out box Vitali. Peter will have to go for broke early if he wants any shot a winning the fight.
     
  14. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep. And though that could be a little angst-producing for VK, it is also very possible to prove ruinous for Peter as looping right hooks careen off his head while he rushes in.
     
  15. RonnieHornschuh

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    as you know i'm no fan of peter myself, but you gave to give him props for his attitude in the ring (not his training attitude). he is durable and aggressive and never takes a step backwards. as for his boxing skills, he hasn't learned yet how to throw a textbook shot. his power would be even bigger if he would move correctly. look what kirk johnson did to maskaev... peter could hurt maskaev because he doesn't have the best chin, but he couldn't lay him out flat because he doesn't get as much leverage on his shots like johnson or tua did.