Eubank Sr: Canelo is #1 P4P! Collins toughest man in history!

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  1. Ike-Man

    Ike-Man Active Member Full Member

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    It amazes me the desperate lengths he goes too to try and make Eubank look better than he was.
     
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  2. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eh?
     
  3. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Considering he didn't school or outclass the worst version of young Watson (timing way off etc) until the last few rounds when MW ran out of gas, that's kind of bizarre. Had they had previous day weigh-ins by then, Watson would've been far too big and strong for him anyway.
     
  4. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Sorry...misunderstood your post. Apologies....:)
     
  5. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    So u accept I'm an authority? I can live with that...
     
  6. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People can say want they want about eubank. But theres no getting away from it...he was an absolute warrior. Learned his trade inside out and had the heart to match it.

    He talks mostly rubbish nowadays. Regardless tho he was a top fighter in amonst a golden era around the super middleweight division at the time. Probably the last great time when fighters actually honed their trade. For me it went downhill after that. Nowadays there still is guys that hone their trade but back then most of them done it. Think thats the main difference between then and now. They could move. Could jab. Could jab on the move. Could almost throw any punch well. Knew what punch to throw and when. Intellegent footwork. Power. Good timing. Just all round very good fighters then compare it to say gallaghers fighters. No disrespect to gallagher but its a different ballgame. Limited fighters out there today in comparison.

    The games turned into too much gameplans nowadays. How we can negate the other man. Back then it was more about giving the guys the tools...honing their skills to then go out there and get the job done with what they had if that makes sense.
     
  7. lencoreastside

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    "Game plan" suggests boxers tailoring their approach to individual opponents. That wouldn't be so bad IMO. I would suggest j g s one size fits all is a different issue altogether. One dimensional. Limited.
     
  8. lawslaw

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    Obviously not, but you pretend to be.
     
  9. lencoreastside

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    How do you distinguish between a "real" authority and a "pretend" authority?
     
  10. bbjc

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    Agree with the one dimensional approach from joe g. I think in his defence cause a lot of people like to deride joe a bit is the guys hes got are not world class. Or not top top level anyway. Their basically hard boys from manchester that work hard and make the best of themselves. If any of them are world class its because they ve worked at it more so than the talents been so great. Sometimes you ve got to make the best of what you ve got.

    Its not all bad tailoring yourself for an opponent. But imo they ve went to far with it. Overthinking it too much nowadays. Whole training camps designed around fighting that one opponent. Its stifling fighters. They ll maybe work on tactics everyday for the opponent...the difference by the looks of it with eubank was they we,re working more on improving their overall game as boxers as opposed to fight one opponent. Sure eubank said he just practised the same punch again and again and again when he mastered it. It was on to the next punch. Resulted in him being more of an allround fighter in the end. He had different ways to win because they drilled it so much. Some of these guys nowadays are busy just working on a strategy and getting fit. It gets them by but in the end theres more flaws to their overall game.
     
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  11. lawslaw

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    A pretend one talks constant rubbish...i.e you.
     
  12. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yep, look at Eubank's opponents like Lindell Holmes and Tony Thornton etc and they were beautiful throwback technicans, ala James Toney etc; they would shoulder roll, they would catch, they would block, they would slip, they would double jabs and hooks, they would throw untelegraphed short rights etc, plant their feet correctly.. In the last 15 years, the guys at those weights like Dirrell/Taylor/Jack/Bika are more on athletic ability, strength, vigour, power, nutrition, clinching, and blowing up in weight after weigh-ins.
     
  13. nurological

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    Thats like saying Calzaghe ducked Froch though
     
  14. Bulldog24

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    Not really considering Collins-Calzaghe was like a week away from happening for Christsake, Collins pulled out and bottled it. What probably happened was he didn't know who Calzaghe was, watched a few tapes a couple of weeks out and realized he hadn't trained hard enough for him!
     
  15. bbjc

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    Exactly right bulldog. Even the lesser guys back then had a lot more to their game plus seemed to be a lot more depth in the divisions. When looking back on eubanks career you cant compare it to todays standards. Todays divisions are usually made up of two or three very good fighters. One or two good ones a few just pretty decent fighters...the rest not good enough...thats probably just the best divisions as well. I m pretty sure back at that time in that division...you could pick out 3 exceptional fighters. 7 or 8 very very good fighters. And about 20 to 30 good fighters on top of your say 10 above. Probably even more than 20/30 good fighters.