Eubank Sr says Wilder must jab, must keep Breland!

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    I just don't pay any mind to what he says. Even when it's not total crap it's just the dude stroking his own ego. But half the time it's also total crap. Can't stand looking at/hearing that guy speak.
     
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  2. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Eubanks has better wins than Fury.

    Only a semi retired Wlad is a HOFer on Fury’s resume. Wilder could very well be a bum, we have no idea if he’s on Benn’s level.
     
  3. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I stopped reading here.
     
  4. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not even remotely close to Benn's level. He hasn't beat anyone, and has never looked, uhh, good. He's 35..
     
  5. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be fair, Griffin put a bit of a schooling on Jones with quite simple tactics, and beat him fair and square.
     
  6. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't give that guy the time of day.

    Literally, in my opinion, the best head to head fighters in history were in Eubank's divisions (Nunn, Toney, Jones) so there's no comparison.

    Eubank was one of the most talented fighters out there, this was clear as day. It's a shame he coasted and posed and gave away rounds when he could, and didn't get that US coverage.

    I don't see Fury making 20 defenses like a Wlad or Eubank or Hopkins or Joe or Holmes etc, he just doesn't have it in him mentally. I don't see him making more than 2 defenses..
     
  7. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Youre joking right?
     
  8. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To state the Fury doesn't have a good jab has to be the stupidist thing I have read in months.
     
  9. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nobody said that.

    He doesn't have a very good jab. It's good.

    He mostly uses it to occupy opponents by flicking it out and not landing it.
     
  10. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No?

    Simple plan:

    -Griffin's constant feints so Jones didn't know if he was going to attack or not
    -Keeping his right hand high to block Jones's left hooks, a punch which Jones over relied on
    -Keeping the left hand low, to invite Jones to throw right hand leads, so he could counter with a left hook

    It was hilarious watching Jones start to lose his temper as the fight wore on.
     
  11. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    Hes mad as ****, nearly everything he says is bollox, and if you absorbed everything he said you would end up in the nut house. He can get away with it in short interviews but long ones get a bit messy with Brother Christopher
     
  12. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    WBO legend, that belt was called the "Frank Warren" belt when he had it, if you weren't British you wouldn't be bothered with it, it was a UK belt in the 90's, just above British just below euro
     
  13. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The fighter makes the belt. You can't deny what Eubank did in the game (he turned it upside down) or in the ring (unreal).
     
  14. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Warren's first fighter to hold that belt was Naseem Hamed, who took Eubank's blueprints to make a fortune. It was Eubank who opened the floodgates for them all and boxing is how it is today, Mayweather making what he makes etc.

    As for what Eubank did inside the ring, that we all know. Incredible.
     
  15. Brighton bomber

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    You've over simplified what Griffin did, if it was that simple other fighters would of figured it out and repeated what he did.

    He wasn't just feinting to deceive RJJ, he was using feint's to back Roy onto the ropes where he was less elusive and vulnerable.

    Griffin's strategy, likely pieced together by the legendary trainer Eddie Futch, was to take the centre of the ring and force RJJ onto the ropes. He rarely engaged RJJ in the centre he was patient, defensive while in the centre not opening up much and leaving RJJ opportunities to counter him.

    RJJ's defence is to slip and evade punches with his remarkable reflexes. But this type of defence while extremely effective does have a flaw in that it means they react to feints. A guy with a guard defence who blocks shots may just raise his guard when feinted, but a defence like RJJ's means a feint can force them to move back and we saw Griffin do this throughout the fight, take the centre, feint Roy onto the ropes and then unload.

    Griffin stayed often just out of RJJ's range, feint to make him step back and then again mvoe forward but just out of RJJ's reach, keeping RJJ under pressure all the time with his constant presence in front of him, making him back up.

    By only engaging when he had RJJ on the ropes where he couldn't slip away easily he ensured he could trade with Jones on his terms, this is simply good ring generalship. He was controlling where the fight was taking place. Less patient fighters would walk into a counter, fighters without his defensive and counter punching skills couldn't keep RJJ on the back foot. Fighters without Griffins inside game couldn't beat RJJ up close and would just smother their work or get clinched.

    It was such a good strategy the next fighter to use a similar strategy vs Roy ended being the guy to beat him, namely Tarver. Tarver did the exact same thing Griffin did. Took the centre, feinted and jabbed while remaining defensively tight and backing RJJ with the jab and feints and then unloading on Roy when he had him on the ropes and never engaging in the centre where Roy would dominate.