Eubank Sr says Wilder must jab, must keep Breland!

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  1. Bulldog24

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    Chris Eubank Sr. on Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury III Tactics, Mark Breland, Golden Eras of Boxing
    March 10, 2020 By Samuel Lee 0 Comments



    Former Super-middleweight champion and British boxing legend Chris Eubank Sr. shares his thoughts on upcoming Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury III rubbermatch and the tactics involved, US amateur boxing legend and Olympic Gold medalist Mark Breland who threw in the towel in the Wilder vs. Fury rematch, and the Golden Eras of boxing.

    Eubank Sr on Deontay Wilder relying on power and reportedly dropping trainer Mark Breland:

    Power or speed, they are get out of jail free cards. They’re largely natural factors. Take Nigel Benn’s power or speed away, I’d of had no problem with him at all. Naseem couldn’t of got past Area Title level. Even, say, Roy Jones – I’d of stood him on his head if you took away his speed. Obviously you can’t do that because they do have these factors.

    But if you haven’t learned the fundamentals and done the groundwork, I mean, you’re in trouble at some point. Benn against Watson, Naz against Barrera, (and) Roy Jones against Montell Griffin. You are in trouble. I mean, Deontay, he came from basketball, right?



    Listen to your trainer. There’s nobody more qualified than Mark Breland to teach you fundamentals – the straight jab, the straight right, fighting off the front foot on-balance. Let me tell you something, Mr. Breland was the God of boxing when I started – he was four times, five times Golden Gloves Champion in New York City. These were as tough to win as an Olympic gold as Mark Breland is proof.

    He (Breland) had the best jab and scored right-hand knockouts in three-round amateur contests with head guards and big gloves. He won the Olympics hands down. Even Pernell Whitaker wasn’t considered as good as this man. Listen to this man, you know!?

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    British boxing legend Chris Eubank Sr.
    Eubank Sr on fighters of recent eras being beneath his era:

    You can’t rate the fighters today as being in the category of the fighters of the 80s and 90s. They play basketball today, they don’t box. They go into football, MMA, personal training, social media – they don’t box. They boxed in the 70s and 80s, you see. Look at the USA Olympic Teams of 1976, (and) 1984. They found the trials and the box offs and the national championships more competitive than the Olympic championships themselves, okay?



    Most of the middleweights of the past 20 years wouldn’t be in the top 20 of 30 years ago. Frank Tate won the Olympic gold medal and yet New York Champion Dennis Milton of the Bronx used to get the better of him. He had closer fights with the Ron Essetts and Miltons and Reggie Johnsons than he did in the Olympics. It’s all on YouTube.

    I’m told Michael Spinks and Hill had tougher opponents in Lindell Holmes and Michael Nunn respectively to even get to the Olympics in the first place. Things like this. It’s proof in the pudding. The Russians and the Cubans and so on, they didn’t turn over back then, they were older gentlemen fighting young talent. That conveyor belt is no longer there, look at the USA Olympic Teams of recent times – there’s the proof of the pudding.

    Eubank Sr on Wilder’s chances versus Tyson Fury in third fight:

    Wilder has to jab. You’re fighting a taller man with longer arms and who moves away from shots, so you have got to jab or the right hand is going to fall short of course. Mr Breland would’ve told him that. Just like I told Christopher how to box (Billy Joe) Saunders and (George) Groves. Don’t just swing and hope for the best – listen to the elders. Get your feet into position by closing the distance, closing the distance, closing the distance; weight on the front foot, jab, step into the jab, step in after the jab.



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    These men are nearly 7ft, so two steps and either of them are on the ropes. That’s what you do. Double it up. Watch Oscar De La Hoya in his prime. Watch your own trainer in his prime, Mark Breland. Watch Marvin Hagler in his prime. (Watch) The great Mike McCallum against the incredible Roy Jones. Gifts won’t always get you out of jail, of course.
     
  2. Furious

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    In theory yes, but I think the only way Wilder can beat Fury is by catching him with one of his huge shots. He's not going to be able to develop the skills to beat Fury any other way, and is a much smaller man with a smaller reach.

    Wilder catching Fury with a huge shot IS possible though, he even managed to catch him once or twice last time but Fury was pretty clever in how he absorbed them with some cute movement to minimise damage.
     
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  3. Potwash

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    Judging by how poorly Chris Snr career advice was to his son I doubt anyone will pay attention.

    lol at him telling his son how to box against Groves and Saunders. That worked well didn't it.
     
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  4. dreadlockno1

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    hhhmmmm, Sr know **** tonnes more about boxing than me but I would not try and do battle of the jabs with Fury. Actually the opposite.

    If Fury comes in with the same Game plan as the second fight I'd stay an extra half step back to negate Furys extra reach so you don't get peppered with Jabs, no chance of getting your own jab of here but why play Jabs with arguably the longest reach in boxing. I'd be training to close the distance extremely fast when coming off the back foot with some ducking, weaving and with a bomb or bombs. Time this as a counter when Fury is committing with something, watch out for feints as he can backstep well. Once in the inside, Fury will tie, play rough get your head into his chin or eye, train in a bit of wrestling/judo to negate some of Furys leaning.

    If Fury comes in defensive, on the back foot, leaning away, you would need to still stay a half step back to avoid getting peppered, again I'd probably only use the jab as a feint, you would need to be very effective at cutting off the ring, bring in a Mike Tyson bob and weave to power shot when closing the distance. Again close the distance as effectively as possible in this scenario likely after a feint catching him off guard. Again be rough in the inevitable tie.

    I think the key in either scenario will be to close the distance very fast and effectively, time it when either Fury is committing to something or catching him off guard after a feint. And train to negate size in a clinch which I think will be the most difficult bit.
     
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  5. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The point was Jr didn't listen.
     
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  6. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mike Tyson out-jabbed 6ft5 Tucker all night long by throwing his just before Tucker and stepping with it.
     
  7. LoadedGlove

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    Good points but I doubt that there is time to teach Wilder this, especially given the rumours that he's a poor listener.
     
  8. LoadedGlove

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    No Fighter can hope to be successful without a jab. Wilder couldn't set his Granny up with that thing he waves around at the moment. With something as basic as a hard, quick jab, Wilder would be twice as effective.
     
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  9. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    To be fair, Mike Tyson was 5”10 and was taught to box by Teddy Atlas from a young teenager. He never had the benefit of reach, he used tremendous footwork, bobbing and weaving and threw in bunches. Wilder just throws single bombs. Night and day them two.
     
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  10. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unless your name is Roy Jones Jr.
     
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    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Atlas was the mitt holder, car driver and hand taper. The towel man. Cus was the trainer.
     
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  12. LoadedGlove

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    To be fair, Jones had a very good jab. Thing was that with his speed and variety he never had to rely on it. Wilder is no Jones.
     
  13. Bulldog24

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    Other than against V Paz who was a sitting duck, no way. He just flicked it out and almost looked scared to land it, to be honest. His lead leap hook was so insane though. Weird.
     
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    Have a look at him in the amateurs. By the time he had become an experienced professional and a Champion his style had changed hugely. He wasn't scared to land his jab but he wasn't going to allow opponents to counter by committing too heavily to it.
     
  15. Twentyman

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    That’s not true. Cus was the man in the background who delegated the training to Teddy Atlas. Cus recognised the talent that Tyson had, gave him advice, gave him a home, security, a platform (and very much undermined Teddy) but it was Teddy Atlas who trained him day in-day out, took him to amateur shows etc. whilst Cus was at home. It baffles me as to why Atlas doesn’t get the recognition for pretty much bringing the lad up as Cus was too old.