Eubank-V-Hopkins regarding tactics/technique/trainer potential

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  1. atberry

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    Hopkins:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHwPBTDDp00[/ame]



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    Eubank:
    'For power, your legs generate more force than your elbows and your hips generate more force than your shoulders. Therefore you must bend the knees and rotate the torso; to do that you must place your weight on the balls of your back foot, to prevent your front knee from snapping, and the rest is a chain reaction - toe extension, foot extension, knee flexion, hip rotation, pectorial flexion, arm extension, forearm tension, wrist tension and knuckle connection. The trick is to not throw the right hand unless your opponent is over your right foot. If your opponent is not over your right foot, you'll generate more power with a left hook or even a jab.'

    'The left hook is a punch in which you go into the same position but with the chain stopping at your hip, so that your weight is shifted to the balls of your front foot, you then start a new chain off your front foot, turning onto your toe, through foot, knee, hip, chest, arm, forearm, wrist and knuckle, and you know you're throwing it correctly if the heel of your back foot naturally lands at the precise time that your index and middle knuckles connect.

    'If you can master the pivot, you then need to master angle of the arm in order to actually land it with that force you've generated, that force you've generated like an Olympic weightlifter would generate for instance.'

    'Those are the two basic power punches. There are 12 punches to master and a number of variations on each. And that's only offense, then there's defense. And that's only initiating punishment, then there's absorbing it yourself.'

    'People talk about range and height and reach, and that's all well and good. But it counts for nothing. If you stay below the opponents eye level and stay out of the opponents reach, you're as safe as houses - shall I tell you for why, for why is because;
    'For #1 - if you're below your opponents eye level, regardless of any height differential, you have more leverage than your opponent, offensively and defensively and more to see and land at, and,
    'For #2 - if you're out of range, your opponent has to step in first and you have the advantage of leverage and aim if you decide to stay put, or you have to step in and again you have the advantage of leverage and aim if he decides to stay put, and,
    'For #3 is this - a jab to the body or right hand to the body can be executed from halfway across the ring through a mere step with the front foot, and provided you release straight without moving your gloves or turning your shoulders - making it harder to read - and provided your front foot lands at the precise time your glove lands, it is in actual fact a safe move from a safe position.

    'To improve and increase your range and reach even further, I would recommend learning to perform splits and back bends proficiently in your training, allowing you also to flex in the opposing direction too if you did get caught out from a particular distance, preventing you getting caught.'







    Or, why don't they just team up and poach young black athletes in US/UK from other sports and double-team train them? :p
     
  2. ApatheticLeader

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    Eubank talking about technique - MUCH better than his execution of it.
     
  3. atberry

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    :lol: yeah that v.occasional long, long, loopy overhand right from the floor that would nearly take out the ring lights :lol: never worked out why Eubank would throw that occasional shot...:)
     
  4. ApatheticLeader

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    It really wasn't that occasional!
     
  5. therm

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    why VS? they re both talking about 2 different things
     
  6. Mavellous Mark

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    Very interesting. Hopkins really does love the sound of his own voice.
     
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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JFoq8LsMVY[/ame]
     
  9. atberry

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    Why not :D
     
  10. Bogotazo

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    Yeah, Hopkins is talking about stance, angles, movement, while Eubank is talking about punching form, etc.
     
  11. atberry

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    Mind you, Bernard does say you should never punch out of range whereas Eubank says you should!
     
  12. atberry

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    Also Bernie is saying you should just shoot the right hand from the shoulder at any time without consideration, whereas Eubank suggests always anchoring the feet it seems and only throwing when the opponent is angled to your right. Very differing.
     
  13. Daruf

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    Gonna go with Hopkins here as hes a master of the right hand lead even at his advanced age.
    The way he does it its complete deception and disguise.
     
  14. atberry

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    Mind you, Eubank threw some of the most incredible right hands I've ever seen thrown - like the one in R7 of the first Benn/Eubank fight that travelled about 4-5inches as an overarm counter power-punch, perhaps the sneakiest power-punch I've ever seen thrown. He repeated it similarly against poor old John Jarvis who's shoulder blades bounced off the canvas and head had nearly come off at impact.

    I also like Eubank's right-hand KO of Barratuebena(sp?), not a millimeter of back-pull and bang on the point of the chin with no range-finders; the kids feet went from under him and you could see the punch ripple down his body!
     
  15. atberry

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    PS
    How Benn stayed up from that shot is anyone's guess. Eubank got all his weight behind it.