Eubank vs Calzaghe 1997 revisted

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  1. Imperial1

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  2. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tony Thompson aint on Lennox's level man

    Thompson lost his title the following fight and never won a major title again. Eubank in his prime would most probably boxed smartly and not get a big black eye.

    The Eubank that finished off Watson, or the Eubank that fought Benn twice wasnt as easy to hit as the Eubank that fought Thompson.

    Also Eubank was more comfortable at CW than he was at SMW, but had been through too many battles by that point in time.

    And stop bigging up Thompson as if Thompson was on the level of Lennox.

    is that how you judged RJJ when he won the majority of the rounds against Trinidad.

    Maybe thats why many Calzaghe fans thought RJJ wasnt shot, because RJJ won the majority of the rounds against Prince Badi, and Anthony Hanshaw.

    An indication how shot a fighter is when you compare his greatest or his last great performances against good opposition to his most recent fight.

    So compare Eubank of Benn 2 or Watson 2 to Eubank of Thompson 1 and 2, and then talk about Eubank being in his prime or not.
     
  3. des3995

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    In fairness to Bailey, I don't think he is trying to say Eubank was prime, just that he wasn't shot. IMO, he wasn't totally shot, just on his way there.
     
  4. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    agree
     
  5. atberry

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    Well he retired a few years before the Calzaghe fight (after clearly losing 11 out of 12 rounds against the most unskilled world champion in boxing in Steve Collins), then suddenly reappeared to take Collins's place at 11 days notice.

    It's well-documented that he lost 20lbs in seven days for Calzaghe, but he always did that. The real problem was the southpaw stance. Eubank had simply not been preparing to fight a southpaw (but rather Mark Prince at light-heavyweight), let alone a fighter in Calzaghe's style (Mark Prince a long-armed right-handed fighter who loaded up each punch).

    He still had all his technical boxing skills as seen in the Thompson fights, but his reflexes had waned from around the Benn II fight in '93, due to his fluctuating bodyweight I believe.

    He wasn't at his best against Calzaghe.
     
  6. atberry

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    Let's not forget Calzaghe was quite a big betting favourite against Eubank.
     
  7. bailey

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  8. Marnoff

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    Not at his best. Not washed up. If was a washed up shell, he wouldn't have been able to give Calzaghe anything of a fight.
     
  9. assasin

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    :huhtony thompson? do you now know what i mean when i say...YOU KNOW
    **** ALL WHEN IT COMES TO BOXING.

    the name is CARL thompson stupid....and when did any one compare
    thompson with lennox lewis? sitting here and typing all day with reply's
    to stupid people is A WASTE OF TIME.......ISN,T IT.

    HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU NEED TO BE TOLD THAT EUBANK WASN,T
    IN HIS PRIME,BUT WASN'T SHOT EITHER??
     
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  11. atberry

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    Eubank looked sensational against Thompson. If not for the swollen eye, would've certainly beat the much naturally bigger/stronger Thompson.
     
  12. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Before I get into this, what are you trying to say that Carl Thompson is a great, or a HOF or a legend or what?

    Because you making an emphasis on the fact that he lost to someone who made 13 defenses so he must be a great/good/decent fighter.

    Lacy lost to Calzaghe who became the main man in SMW at the time, so Lacy automatically becomes great?

    Doug DeWitt lost his WBO MW title to Nigel benn, so Dough DeWitt automatically becomes great?

    Alan Minter lost his WBC title to Marvin Hagler who then only lost them SRL so does that make Alan Minter look great?

    Dont try and make Carl Thompson look great by saying:

    Because that is not something to be proud of, by losing your title and never regaining it.

    Thats the thing with Calzaghe nutthuggers you have to big up guys like Johnny Nelson (who was a good fighter), so Carl Thompson looks good, so Eubank looks good, so eventually Calzaghe looks good.

    Possible, but his performance against Thompson he looked less tense than when he fought Calzaghe. Also he took long to get into the fight with Calzaghe but looked settled when he fought Thompson. I think it was just easier for him to fight at CW so he didnt need to cut down too many pounds that made him weaker.



    Thats based on your logic, you said

    And I said this logic is flawed, because if you gone by this logic then RJJ wasnt shot when he fought Trinidad because he won the majority of the rounds.

    So I corrected your illogical ideology by stating

    So when you compare Eubank of Watson or Benn, to the Calzaghe fight, and you still think Eubank was in his prime when he fought Calzaghe then obviously then there is no point discussing the matter because I think there is a clear difference in the Eubank of Benn fight, and Eubank of Calzaghe fight.

    1995: Lost to Collins 1
    1995: Knocked out two nobodies while weighing above 170
    1995: Lost to Collins 2, closer fight
    1995: Retired
    1996: Comeback
    1996: Fights 2 guys while weighing above LHW
    1997: Drops back down to SMW to fight Calzaghe and loses widely
    1998: Moves up 2 whole weight divisions and loses to Carl Thompson
    1998: Loses rematch on TKO when he was ahead
    1998: Retires for good

    And Carl Thompson aint in the leauge of a Prime Eubank man. Like I said before

    You have to big up Nelson so Thompson looks good, so Eubank looks good so Calzaghe looks good.

    That aint the case, if Carl Thompson was so great then why did he lose his title and never regained it?

    Eubank was more comfortable at CW than he was at SMW when he fought Thompson, he was weight drained and way past it when he fought Calzaghe like BBC Sport and others have said in the past.

    If you dont agree with BBC sport and others who seemed to think Eubank was weight drained when he fought Calzaghe then you aint gonna agree with me.
     
  13. bailey

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  14. atberry

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    As far as 'prime' goes, Eubank's was in 1990 and 1991. He truly threw some of the best punches I've ever seen thrown in some of his fights in those years, and extremely vicious finishing attempts!

    His best performance has to be the domination of undefeated Rocchigiani in his backyard, who went on to be ROBBED against Maske and Michalczewski in his first fights with each.

    Eubank could've done so much more!
     
  15. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thank you for your insightful contribution, I learnt that Carl Thompson and Tony Thompson are 2 different people thanks to Assasin. May God reward you, and give you tranquility. Take Care and **** off.