Eubank vs Calzaghe 1997 revisted

credit where its due realsoldier - your hate is incredibly strong

just out of interest (and this is not a **** take i'm just interested) why did you think roy jones would beat calzaghe when they fought?

 

i agree pal, eubank was a fantastic fighter. anyone who can deal with prime benn twice (when you consider how fired up benn was as well) is something special.

 

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ONE of the things Naseem Hamed has been hearing since a salutary experience against Kevin Kelley in New York last December is whether he wants to be remembered as a truly great fighter.

Brendan Ingle, the Irishman who has trained Hamed since thrilling to the potential seen in a 12-year-old outfighting larger boys on a Sheffield street corner, has asked him to think about the judgement of history.

If Ingle still has work to do on this - the disciplined performance Hamed gave at the Nynex Arena in Manchester late on Saturday when stopping Wilfredo Vasquez in seven rounds to retain the World [url]Boxing[/url] Organisation title was encouraging - he can refer to the respect Chris Eubank gained in an earlier contest. Shortly before Hamed went to his corner against the 37-year-old Puerto Rican who has held three world championships, Ingle held out admiration for Eubank in a brief conversation we had at ringside. At a press conference, fired up by Eubank's remarks, Ingle referred to him as a phoney. Now, he had nothing but praise for him. He asked: "Have you ever seen such guts?" Eubank once wore Hamed's mantle of self adoration, the hard contests he had against Michael Watson, Nigel Benn and Steve Collins less significant in the public's mind than ludicrous if profitable posturing. As Eubank's career draws to a close - the punishment taken in an unsuccessful attempt to wrest the WBO cruiserweight title from Carl Thompson should bring about retirement - he is more endearing. "I take back everything I've ever said about him," Larry Merchant of the American cable television network Home Box Office said. The former heavyweight champion George Foreman thought Eubank's performance heroic. Giving away more than half a stone, Eubank showed a warrior's mettle, fighting with such spirit that he caught Thompson with a left hook in the second round that brought the prospect of victory until he chose to stand off the visibly stunned champion. Eubank, who also dropped Thompson in the fourth, paid dearly for this perverse extravagance, finishing with his right eye completely closed and spitting blood. He had never been in such pain or looked more ring- soiled. Eubank spent the night under observation in hospital, after undergoing a brain scan, and referee Roy Francis said he contemplated stopping the fight: "It was a dilemma but I had to give Chris every chance. It makes me feel like weeping; he's a guy I like so much." In choosing to shape his career at middle and super-middleweight around a series of contrived defences against no-hopers, contests that did not require him to train diligently (and in putting the sport down as purely a business), Eubank sold himself short when he could have been fighter of the decade. That estimate was once neatly put when Eubank's promoter at the time, Barry Hearn, was asked to think about a unifying bout against the WBA champion, Mike McCallum. "What would he bring?" Hearn asked, meaning returns at the box office. "Danger," someone said. At that time danger did not appear to figure on Eubank's agenda. Despite titanic struggles against Benn and Watson, his career was more promotion than substance. Last October's unsuccessful attempt to win the vacant WBO super- middleweight championship against Joe Calzaghe and a further loss on Saturday has altered perceptions of Eubank, especially among his peers. Ingle was thinking about this when he reflected further on what the future could hold for Hamed. "Eubank could have made so much more of himself," he said. "Since the fight against Kelley I've asked Naz to consider that he has the talent to be up there with the best there has ever been. There's more to being successful in boxing than fame and wealth. And it's in Naz's hands."

 

Gee, lets see Eubanks took the fight on short notice and he had so much trouble making weight he had to go all the the way to CW . . . so not only was he past his prime he was weight drained all to hell! I wonder if they needed an IV in him all the way until fight time?

Plus, wow he had two close fights with CARL thompson!

So let me summarize Chris Eubanks at this time;

1) Like all SMW at the time simply a regional fighter (the same as 95% of all of Calzaghe opposition)

2) He was had 2 BIG wins (LMFAO against two great fighters AHAHAHA) after losing to Collins

3) Had trouble making weight and skipped LHW but still fought Joe at SMW (serious weight drain).

4) Went on to lose to the great CARL Thompson (who would be lucky to make the top 25 at CW all time . . . CW)!

5) He retired after the Thompson fights.

Yup, sounds like he was definitely in his prime!

 

Never said Thompson was a great, thats you trying to make something up, just told you true facts, up to you what you make of them, but the facts obviously made an impression on you.
Havent said Jones was or wasnt shot against Trinidad, once again this is you trying to make something sound different to anything ive said . Your not doing well.
Also once again your saying I said something I didnt to try and bolster your failed points, because ive never said Eubank was prime, but I have said he wasnt shot based on results whether winning or losing what they were.
Never said Thompson was in the same league as Eubank but will say Thompson was the bigger man and more often a good big man beats a good small man (not always), particularly when the good small man is coming up 2 divisions.

WRONG FACT AGAIN
Once again your making things up or more than likely got your facts wrong again because out of the 2 guys Eubank fought after Collins 1, one of them was a SMW title eliminator and was fought at SMW.

Where have you got the weight of Eubank fighting above 170 in his 2 fights after Collins 1 and at LHW with the 2 fighters before Calzaghe? But even so alot of fighters fight outside there championship weight when not in title fights Toney fought at CW when he was IBF SMW champ, but still interested to know where you got these Eubank facts from.

Often when a fighter loses people say they were past it but not always so, there was a time when G Johnson only won 2 fights out of 9 in his career

 

Excellent post.

 

Thanks for taking the time to explain that. After carefully reading and considering the evidence I agree. Your completely correct. In fact I think Eubank is still prime.

 

Just read on here also that Eubank was giving away half a stone to the champ as well, but this isnt correct, I checked it on Boxrec

 

fair points.

did you think roy was close to prime when he fought joe?

if not, why did you think he was gonna beat calzaghe when they fought?

 

And still on a completely different thread cant put down any points, other than good post or I agree etc
You must try harder Robert

 

Calzaghe out-classed Eubank on the night. Eubank completely out-classed Thompson.

 

Once again Realsoulja, your making things up as I only said that Thompson wasnt a great, but didnt say not all that good, thats you trying to unsuccessfully alter what has been said. What I did say was Thompsom won his world title in Germany and later on in his career beat Rothmann and Haye (and we know how his career has gone since).
Read on a post on here also that Eubank was giving half a stone away to the champ as well, but that isnt correct, I checked that on Boxrec So fighting 2 divisions higher than your last fight and flooring the champ and losing by 1 point on 2 cards dosent sound bad, and losing by TKO on an injury when ahead to a world champ dosent sound bad

I went on Boxrec and the fights you claim to have got Eubanks weight from are closed books, so where on Boxrec? This isnt more stories now is it?