Eubank vs Calzaghe 1997 revisted

assasin · Jun 19, 2010

HEADBANGER said: ↑

robert is a ****in legend :rofl
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he's as mad as a box of frogs

bailey · Jun 19, 2010

RobertV77 said: ↑

You hold a higher opinion of yourself than most.
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Once again commenting on a subject that you know little of

Veit is not the worst opponent slappy faced. Beating Veit really doesn't add up to a career defining moment.
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I agree with that, but you have mentioned Veit before so I was just wondering what you found so bad about him, or could it be you hadnt heard of him?
Still who on here has ever said beating Veit was a career defining moment?

Joe's a ***** for retiring without ever testing his limits. He had two career defining victories and one was a sloppy performance over a man nearly old enough to collect a pension. If he faced suitable opponents more consistantly Joe would command a little more respect
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How did he not test his limits, he must have done at some time to win WBO 21 defences, WBC WBA IBF & Ring SMW & LHW belts, dont you think?
Still im guessing these 2 defining victories you mention must be Kessler and Hopkins, regardless of Hopkins age (and Calzaghe was 36) he cant have been that bad with a victory over Wright before losing to Calzaghe and a win over Pavlik after, but with Hopkins constant holding the fight did seem sloppy, but id say Hopkins holds some blame for that also.
Still who was Calzaghe meant to go up to LHW and fight? Hopkins was the Ring LHW champ, the main man of the division, would you rather Calzaghe went up to LHW and fought for less money against a contender?
As for career defining fights Lacy was undefeated IBF champ and favourite to win so that should be called testing yourself shouldnt it? Lacy hasnt looked the same since
Didnt Joe have a right to retire at 37? Who was he supposed to have fought then to test him? Lets go round in circles
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bailey · Jun 19, 2010

realsoulja said: ↑

eubanks boxrec

i told u already
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Like I said before Realsoulja, I went on Boxrec and the 2 fights Eubank had after Collins 1 and the 2 fights he had after Collins 2 are closed book, so where did you get those weights on there? And we know you were wrong about one of them after Collins 1 saying he was fighting above SMW because one of them was a SMW eliminator.
So where on Boxrec have you got these facts or are you going to say you didnt really get these facts now?

Fighting Weight · Jun 19, 2010

bailey said: ↑

Once again commenting on a subject that you know little of

I agree with that, but you have mentioned Veit before so I was just wondering what you found so bad about him, or could it be you hadnt heard of him?
Still who on here has ever said beating Veit was a career defining moment?

How did he not test his limits, he must have done at some time to win WBO 21 defences, WBC WBA IBF & Ring SMW & LHW belts, dont you think?
Still im guessing these 2 defining victories you mention must be Kessler and Hopkins, regardless of Hopkins age (and Calzaghe was 36) he cant have been that bad with a victory over Wright before losing to Calzaghe and a win over Pavlik after, but with Hopkins constant holding the fight did seem sloppy, but id say Hopkins holds some blame for that also.
Still who was Calzaghe meant to go up to LHW and fight? Hopkins was the Ring LHW champ, the main man of the division, would you rather Calzaghe went up to LHW and fought for less money against a contender?
As for career defining fights Lacy was undefeated IBF champ and favourite to win so that should be called testing yourself shouldnt it? Lacy hasnt looked the same since
Didnt Joe have a right to retire at 37? Who was he supposed to have fought then to test him? Lets go round in circles
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Well he could always have moved up to LHW back in 2001-2002 and fought Jones while Jones still had a pulse. Just a thought....

He didn't though, instead he clung to his crappy WBO strap like a limpet and fought shite, patiently waiting for Jones and Hopkins to get old. Great management from team Calzaghe and sure he convinced some people that he 'tested' himself when in reality he did anything but that outside the 168 division - and even inside that division he waited until he was about 35 before he unified, and that's just pathetic.
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realsoulja · Jun 19, 2010

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Like I said before Realsoulja, I went on Boxrec and the 2 fights Eubank had after Collins 1 and the 2 fights he had after Collins 2 are closed book, so where did you get those weights on there? And we know you were wrong about one of them after Collins 1 saying he was fighting above SMW because one of them was a SMW eliminator.
So where on Boxrec have you got these facts or are you going to say you didnt really get these facts now?
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1998-07-18189Carl Thompson189½
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Ponds Forge Arena, Sheffield, Yorkshire, United KingdomLTKO1012x3
~ referee: Paul Thomas | 87-84 | 86-86 | 87-84 ~
~ WBO cruiserweight title ~
Stopped after 9th round on advise of the doctor, when Eubank's left eye closed completely from swelling. Judges; Adalaide Tripplet, Roy Francis Dr. Ruben M. Garcia

1998-04-18186½Carl Thompson189
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Nynex Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United KingdomLUD1212x3
~ referee: Roy Francis | judge: Luis Pabon 113-114 | judge: John Stewart 113-114 | judge: Dave Parris 113-116 ~
~ WBO cruiserweight title ~
Thompson down in the 4th round.

1997-10-11167¾Joe Calzaghe167¼
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Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, Yorkshire, United KingdomLUD1212x3
~ referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Paul Thomas 111-116 | judge: Roy Francis 110-118 | judge: Dave Parris 109-118 ~
~ vacant WBO super middleweight title ~
Eubank down in 1st.

1997-03-27177Camilo Alarcon175
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Tennis Club, Dubai, United Arab EmiratesWKO410

1996-10-19177Luis Dionisio Barrera
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Indoor Arena, Cairo, EgyptWKO510
~ time: 0:42 | referee: John Coyle ~
Eubank "caught Barrera with a right hand to the body under the heart" (Sunday Mail)

1995-09-09167½Steve Collins167
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Pairc Ui Chaoimh, Cork, IrelandLSD1212
~ referee: Ismael W. Fernandez | judge: Aaron Kizer 113-115 | judge: Paul Herman 113-115 | judge: Genaro Rodriguez 115-114 ~
~ WBO super middleweight title ~

1995-07-29171¾Jose Ignacio Barruetabena165
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Whitley Bay, Tyne and Wear, United KingdomWKO112x3
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WBO super middleweight title eliminator

1995-05-27173½Bruno Ruben Godoy168
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Kings Hall, Belfast, Northern Ireland, United KingdomWTKO110x3

1995-03-18167¾Steve Collins167¾
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Green Glens Arena, Millstreet, IrelandLUD1212
~ referee: Ron Lipton | judge: Roy Francis 114-116 | judge: Cesar Ramos 111-115 | judge: Ismael W. Fernandez 113-114 ~
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Eubank down in the 8th. Collins down in the 10th.

Weighed in 173.5, then 171.75 for the SMW eliminator then 167 for slapzaghe, then 177 twice.

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Fighting Weight · Jun 19, 2010

Anyone who actually watched the fights back then knows that Eubank was never the same after that 2nd Watson fight....20% of Eubank died in the ring that night. Had he been the same fighter he'd have finished Collins for a start but he backed off, watch the tapes.

The Eubank that fought Slappy was weight drained and even though he was only 31 was an 'old' fighter. He put up a respectable performance but he wasn't the same guy that beat Benn all those years earlier. I'd place Benn, Watson and Eubank above Slappy in terms of greatness to be honest, they were all extremely good fighters whereas Slappy was nothing but a con artist.

bailey · Jun 19, 2010

Fair play to you Realsoulja that was completely my stupidity and being quick to doubt you, but you are right and I was wrong on the weight subject about the SMW eliminator, I apologise for doubting you, id never noticed the weights just after the dates, my mistake. 10/10

bailey · Jun 19, 2010

Fighting Weight said: ↑

Anyone who actually watched the fights back then knows that Eubank was never the same after that 2nd Watson fight....20% of Eubank died in the ring that night. Had he been the same fighter he'd have finished Collins for a start but he backed off, watch the tapes.

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That I do agree with
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Fighting Weight · Jun 19, 2010

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That I do agree with
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So bearing in mind he had about 7 more years wear and tear between that and the Slappy fight it's fair to say that he was nowhere near prime when he fought Slappy, right?
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bailey · Jun 19, 2010

Fighting Weight said: ↑

So bearing in mind he had about 7 more years wear and tear between that and the Slappy fight it's fair to say that he was nowhere near prime when he fought Slappy, right?

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Look at the bit I said I agree with only, then read below

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He had a year out after losing by SD to Collins the only man who beat him, then fought twice in under a year before meeting Calzaghe and twice again in under a year after Calzaghe, which dosent sound to retired

Define how Eubank was so far his best at 31. He lost by UD to Collins in 95, then had 2 fights after scoring first round KOs, one being a SMW title eliminator, then fought Collins again this time doing better and fighting him to a SD, took a year out, something that alot of fighters do, (ie Maywheather and Mosely didnt fight for over a year) then had 2 KO victories and fought Calzaghe.
After losing to Calzaghe Eubank fought WBO CW Champ Thompson twice losing closely first time and scoring a KD, and then rematched Thompson losing by TKO being pulled out due to his eye injury in the 10th when level on one card and 3 points ahead on the other 2. Hardly sounds that past it.
Still when a fighter loses alot of people call for retirement, people called for Holyfield to retire after hi first loss to Bowe, just imagine if he had, people said he was past it before he first fought Tyson.
Hopkins after losing to Calzaghe is another and he went on to score one of his biggest wins against Pavlik.
So Eubank having 2 losses to one fighter, the 2nd being by split, hardly sounds that past it.
Eubank tired later when fighting Thompson because he was carrying more weight than before in a long fight, what the youtube clip isnt showing is how Eubank was Eubanks KD and having Thompson staggering round earlier

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A quote I made earlier but says most of what ive said before, but if your going to answer that have a quick scan for some of my other answers so were not going over anymore old ground. Thanks
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atberry · Jun 20, 2010

How could anyone suggest Eubank was in his prime? No title, no TV, no press. He was dramatically below his prime at that time!

bailey · Jun 20, 2010

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How could anyone suggest Eubank was in his prime? No title, no TV, no press. He was dramatically below his prime at that time!
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What has TV, titles and press got to do with a fighter.
If a fighter isnt recognised people dont think they are any good but this isnt always the case,

atberry · Jun 20, 2010

We're talking about 'prime', aren't we?

bailey · Jun 20, 2010

atberry said: ↑

We're talking about 'prime', aren't we?
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How far past do you think he was?

atberry · Jun 20, 2010

the time of maturity when power and vigor are greatest

TV, titles and press = power

Eubank had it more than anyone in his prime. He didn't have it at the time he got in with Calzaghe.

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