European fighters aren't 'ducked'...unless they want to be

Very quickly on the Olympics. Both winter and summer olympics are made up of sports. And the US does rather well generally. That's what I meant.

I couldn't possibly know the extent of your dealings and interactions with Americans. you could be a 25 year resident, i don't know. But, I would hope it is more than tourist encounters and brief trips. I would also hope you're basing these statements on more than interactions with us boxing fanatics on a boxing website, or other websites in general. Because, let me tell you, if I had to base my opinions of the citizens of other nations on their internet personas, I wouldn't have a healthy opinion of them either.

As for the TS, based on his spelling of certain words.......... generaliSed and favoUrite, it leads me to believe he is at the very least, not American. Maybe I'm wrong, but unless those are calculated adjustments, it stands to reason.

As for the other, you are making generalizations about a certain group, criticizing them for having a lack of perspective and simply calling it arrogance. Do you not see the irony in that practice?

 

Step up Riggers.

 

I just look at the individual really. Its true that boxing over the last 15 years really expanded its market and flourished overseas but at the same time if a fighter wants to milk what he has in his country he has every right to if it benefits him but the fighter and his fans shouldn't feel slighted if the fighter isn't respected or held in such high regards in the U.S.A.
Its not fair but thats just the way it is.
Chris John can fight in some jungle all he wants and nobody gives a rats ass over here. Nobody saying he sucks or anything its just that we Americans look at it like ok, he got a nice lil record and some skills why don't he come over here for a fight or two. Nobody saying you gotta keep fighting in America.
Imagine if Hamed vs Kelly was in Europe. Look at all the hype that prolly would of never surfaced if it didn't happen over here.

 

Unless you up sticks and relocate to another country its very diffictult to compete in that country so in that sense it suits america fine to have other fighters coming to them, but in order to make it big in boxing you have to fight in america, thats just the way it is at the moment and has been for a long while. Cracking the american market is difficult in anything but well worth it financially if it can be done. At the end of the day its very unlikely that american fighters are going to go to europe to fight a guy for a belt, with all the added dangers that brings (routine, travel, hostile fans and the fact that the home fighter often gets the rub of the green in fights, which happens everywhere). Why should he too, when everything he needs is at home. I cant really see that changing either.

 

I know what you meant by the olympics mate. But i was as you now know talking about a world sport, and how they are organised, as in a comparison to boxing. So now that is cleared up we can move on. But like i said the US does not compete seriously in any other world sport. But i acknowledge does rather well in the olympics.

I had not noticed the, what you would call, spelling mistakes by the TS.

My comments about the USA are as much to do with its political arrogance as to do with individual peoples arrogance. The TS quite clearly holds an opinion that looks one way, he has no clue on anothers perspective.

If you look at my opening statement it said the USA not Americans. My last post you highlighted said ( obviously not all yanks ) , so hardly a generalisation.

The US is regarded by the majority of the world as an arrogant , bullying nation. Where American interests come above all others. You may not agree. You may not like that. But that is what i meant when i said the world revolves around them. That is why i think there is a lack of perspective, as a government or nation for behaving that way and as individuals for not recognising the issue.

You still have not said why i am the fixated one ?

 

Why do you think Chris John should care what you think over there. This kind of thinking says play here, come to us, he does not need to come to you.

Do you think it says something about American fighters that they rarely go abroad ? Do they need the advantage of home ground. In football you play home and away , this takes away advantage. I imagine you do that in basketball and baseball ? yes ? so why in boxing should you demand home advantage. All your other big sports stay in the US because no one else hardly plays them. Boxing is different, its not your sport. Travel.

 

becoming famous in america =/ becoming an international star.

you can be the man in your divison and never fight in american and if you are you are in your rights to expect american contenders to come to your backyard.

that said many do come to america cause of the money.

 

True. But therefore what international stars has America had in the last 20 years ?

Floyd nah hes a homeboy. RJJ nah he got iced in 90seconds as soon as he left home ( that is not serious ), Hopkins he went abroad once and drew. Mosley nah they may have drug tested him. Toney ditto.

 

People like Froch came to america to defend his own belt yet he doesnt really recieve much credit for it.

 

It was the proverbial "you" at the time meant for people who like to bash America, and there are many on this site. I guess in that regard, you could say at the time I was also guilty of a generalization.

I don't know what other sports to which you refer. Football/ Soccer we aren't a big player. The others you mentioned, cricket and rugby, don't even rate over here.

I didn't or wouldn't call them spelling mistakes......It was your language first. We mongrelized it.

As for the TS.... if he is not American, he might very well have an idea on other's perspectives. If they don't jive with yours doesn't mean he is any more wrong than you or I.

In regards to the arrogance of citizens of the USA, there is a certain stereotype that I am sure comes to mind, and while steroetyping in general is a very hit or miss practice, the stereotype does come from somewhere. But, don't they all.

As for politics, I certainly do not think the USA is above criticism, nor an altruistic world savior. But I do think that the US has done no better, nor any worse than other nations have done, or would do under the same circumstances.

 

The thing is, the US media is still the biggest media in boxing. by far I would figure. I am sure there are instances where a certain fighter was slighted in rankings or payday or matchup because they weren't an American fighter. The media of all nations is made up of people who are prone to bias. They may try there best not to be, but they are. Human nature.

 

:hey

That's just Carl Froch - he does not recieve credit for anything he does. If he wins the Super 6 people still wont give me credit.

I tell I lie - the only thing he gets credit for is his girl.

 

Holy ****:an unbiased and truthful,thoughtful statement.Well said,Cepillo.