European fighters aren't 'ducked'...unless they want to be

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by HoldMyBeer, Feb 19, 2010.


  1. randeris

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  2. Clinton

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  3. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    the thing about Froch is, he never looks great doing it. But he keeps winning. Personally, as much as I hated the way Dirrell fought, i thought he outpointed Froch, but it was close and I won't call it a robbery. He was pretty lucky to get Taylor out of there with 14 seconds left or whatever. So people tend to think it is only a matter of time until his luck runs out and he starts to lose. He doesn't have the best skills, but his determination and attitude is championship caliber. He has grown on me to an extent. He seems to making all the right moves, in and out of the ring(hubba/hubba).
     
  4. sean

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    i am not sure if the european has to fight in america to cement his legacy arguement holds much water anymore.

    moneywise, yes
    boxing sites and american boxing media yes.

    but to the 299,000,000 americans in the general , a european fighting in america would simply pass them bye and they would not know or care.

    boxing in america is up there with tiddlywinks now in terms of viewing figures and it simply does not get the numbers to make a european fighter`s legacy mean much.

    sadly it also means american fighters legacy now means very little, there are just way to few americans watching boxing today.


    this is not the 80`s when boxing was big in america, this is where 300,000 watching on tv and 1000 in attendence is the norm and 1 million tv viewers and 15,000 spectators absolutley huge.

    the biggest events of the year in american boxing now gets way less exposure than a fight between 2 girl featherweights in a german ring in terms of viewing numbers.
     
  5. des3995

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    its not about the figures that makes a boxers legacy, although you could argue that it is material in them being able to get the legacy- building fights.

    And to be honest, even American boxers walk could down the street and not be recognized unless it was their own neighborhood. boxers in general aren't media stars. Pac and floyd.... that's about it. Nonetheless, they still generate the money and it's based on the fans.
     
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  9. ApatheticLeader

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    You need to post more often.
     
  10. Clinton

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    ApatheticLeader is correct.Well said.
     
  11. des3995

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    You have to love it. A couple of guys go off an a tangent about football that doesn't even involve an American team or league, (because everyone is in agreement that the US isn't a force in that sport) ..... someone states that the British and Spanish leagues are far better than the rest, a someone defends the Italian League and someone defends the Brazilian league........but somehow it's all on account of American arrogance and ignorance. Ridiculous. Find some new material or find some new excuses.
     
  12. Clinton

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    Yeah
     
  13. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    fair enough.
    i agree that fighters can build up a solid financial career outside of the US but it still won't allow them into big money fights because promoters of the biggest names in boxing need PPV and bums on seats to make the 'risk versus reward' ratio worthwhile.
    that is what it's really about.

    even if fighters based out of america are hype jobs it doesn't serve european fighters' interests to stay in europe and call them out because it won't change things unless, in the case of calzaghe, he's a 'risk versus reward' candidate to guys like kessler and lacy - but never to hopkins and jones.

    it depends where a fighter sits on the 'ladder' and that isn't really going to change.
     
  14. HoldMyBeer

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    agreed.
    but if the money still revolves around the US, as it does with other sports, then the 'merry-go-round' will still work that way.

    and any fighter and promoter team that doesn't want to try and make a mark on that market will be left in the same position as many euro fighters before them.
     
  15. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    but take this situation.....calzaghe was the undisputed (and deserved SMW) champion during his reign.
    the ONLY thing that stopped him getting fights with jones or hopkins, two fighters who were dominant over weak divisions and ego-driven (as joe was too but on a lesser scale), was joe cleaning up ranked challengers on PPV.

    you said "to just assume that european fighters should make an effort to fight in america is just ignorant at times isn't true.." isn't true for fighters who want big fights but feel too obligated to local promoters who aren't interested in their cause anyway.