Europeans still dominate the Super Middleweight division

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Europeans still dominate the Super Middleweight division.
    At present 3 of the 4 major world titles at SMW are being worm by Europeans -

    Froch WBC champ (European)
    Bute IBF champ (European)
    Steiglitz WBO champ (European)
    Ward WBA champ (
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    Kessler is WBC champ emeritus (European)
    Sanavia WBA regular champ (European)

    It has been this way for a while, as American SMWs havent been able to win big fights away. A few names over the last few years Calzaghe, Ottke, Beyer, Reid, Girard, Catley, Balzsay, Inkin, Eubank, Benn, Collins, Rocchigiani etc there are even more than this!!!
    Jones Jnr and Toney never wanted to test themselves against the top SMWs around and fought lesser fighters than the fighters like Benn and Eubank who were around fighting better competition.
    SMWs champs from America who tried normally didnt suceed ie Mitchell, Brewer, Lacy.

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    This leads me to where this thread is going. America has built up their SMW champs over the past few years with Mitchell and Lacy. The same thing seems to be happening now with Ward.
    Consider at this time Ward has only had 4 world title fights and his only big win was over an unwell double vision suffering Kessler at home (previously beaten), other than that it has been Green, Bika who hadnt had many rounds in a while and Abraham coming off of 2 clear S6 defeats.
    Ward isnt at any real further level than B Mitchell or J Lacy was in achievements at this time, before they came crashing down after big build ups.
    This leads to believe that if Froch doesnt expose Ward than Bute definately will.
    Ward and Bute need each other in that they are 2 undefeated world champs in the same division and both title holders. If Ward beats Froch, it will be noted that Kessler had already beaten Froch first.
    Thing is I could see a fight between Bute and Ward being very one sided with Bute clearly winning.

    Remember how Lacy was supposed to destroy Calzaghe?
    Lacy had a fair resume of world rated Reid, world rated Vanderpool, world rated Pemberton, Sheika, world rated Tsypko, world rated Manfredo etc which resume wise is similar to Ward now.
    B Mitchell - 2 time WBA SMW champ
    He beat #1 Liles (something Ward is praised for doing) by KO
    drew with future 2 weight champ Girard
    beat Siaca twice who went on to become WBA SMW champ who beat Mundine
    beat former MW champ JC Green who beat a prime Joppy before Joppy was beaten by Trinidad or Hopkins.
    Mitchell only lost by SD to Ottke that many thought he won.
    Both Mitchell and Lacy were built up like Ward.

    There is alot of comments about Bute only fighting at home, but Ward has done no different in big fights and overall Bute has a better resume than Ward, which many overlook.

    I feel that unless Ward is given time to develop, he will become another American SMW to lose when stepping up into the top European level
     
  2. Imperial1

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    Froch WBC champ (European) Will lose to Ward
    Bute IBF champ (European) Hasn't fought anyone of note be it European or American
    Steiglitz WBO champ (European) Who ? Tell me when he becomes a viable name
    Ward WBA champ (
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    Corrected !
     
  3. the prom queen

    the prom queen bitter and clinging Full Member

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    hasnt 168 pretty much been a majority-euro division for a long time?
     
  4. beefman180

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    You put a lot of work into your trolling.
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hows it trolling?
    Saying "I feel that unless Ward is given time to develop, he will become another American SMW to lose when stepping up into the top European level"
    Thats not trolling
     
  6. Uncle Oden

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    super middleweight has never been a money division. The money is a class below or a class above. It should be a pit stop for most guys. Ward should beat Froch and move to 175. Bute can follow and they can make the fight there.
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    It has. I feel that this is because alot of fighters like Lacy for example, who have been rushed after some good performances and built up too early
     
  8. the prom queen

    the prom queen bitter and clinging Full Member

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    there are a few divisions like that
    puts me in the mind of the old saying "cruiserweight is loserweight"
    for a long time now, there have been a lot of boxing fans and people inside the boxing world who really want to combine a lot of these divisions
     
  9. Uncle Oden

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    getting back somewhat closer to the original 8 divisions would be beneficial to the sport on so many levels. There's really no way of going about it with the sports current structure, though. There's no way to mandate that the ABCs eliminate the excess divisions.
     
  10. bailey

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    You might be correct, you might not, but what what I noted that if Froch doesnt beat Ward, Bute will.
    As for Bute not beating anyone consider -
    I agree Bute hasnt fought the top guys yet but look at resumes overall

    Bute beat Bika - better than Ward,
    Miranda - better than Ward,
    Andrade twice, first time when Andrade was #3 SMW,
    Joppy,
    Zuniga, better than Cloud and Cloud beating Zuniga has put him above Dawson
    Brinkley
    Berrio - Holds a win over Steiglitz
    Magee European champ
    Mendy undefeated

    Ward has beaten
    Kessler - A very good win better than any name on Bute resume but remember that Kessler was an unwell fighter
    Miranda
    Green - who lost to Miranda
    Bika
    Abraham on a winning run of 1 injury victory and then 2 losses the last being very decisive

    Overall Bute has a better resume.

    Steiglitz - Why isnt he a name to you? He has better resume than Dirrell. Steiglitz has wins over undefeated Balzsay (WBO champ), undefeated Gutknecht (now European LHW champ) and as well as a loss also has a win over future IBF SMW champ
     
  11. the prom queen

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    one good thing, though, is that it seems like more fighters are willing to move up or down in weight or fight at a catchweight to make the big fights these days
     
  12. Imperial1

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    Look styles make fights ..If your logic was sound Ali would have never lost to Fraizer who Foreman beat ..Styles make fights ..Enough with all that ..

    Bute still has some proving to do a fight with Pavlik won't prove anything since he is on the downslide ..Dirrell isn't even a force right now hell let him and Steiglitz have a box off ..That just goes to show you about a fighter making the belt !

    And undefeated records are the fluffiest record in sports today ! Means nothing to be undefeated these days if you haven't been tested .


    The Super Middles have been dominated more by Europeans but lately the Americans have some names that couldturn the tide of that dominance ..
     
  13. bailey

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    Alot of Americans write this, but at world title level -

    Jones Jnr spent more time at SMW than MW
    Toney spent more time at SMW than at MW and LHW
    Nunn spent more time at SMW than at MW and LHW

    So this isnt quite true
     
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  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bottom line could be - Give Ward time to develop