Evaluate my Top 30 ATGs P4P?

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  1. MrBumboclart

    MrBumboclart Active Member Full Member

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    1. Harry Greb
    2. Sugar Ray Robinson
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Muhammad Ali
    5. Sam Langford
    6. Ezzard Charles
    7. Roberto Duran
    8. Bob Fitzsimmons
    9. Willie Pep
    10. Archie Moore
    11. Benny Leonard
    12. Joe Gans
    13. Mickey Walker
    14. Jack Johnson
    15. Eder Jofre
    16. Pernell Whitaker
    17. Jimmy Wilde
    18. Carlos Monzon
    19. Tommy Hearns
    20. Barbados Joe Walcott
    21. Julio Cesar Chavez Sr.
    22. Gene Tunney
    23. Ricardo Lopez
    24. Sugar Ray Leonard
    25. Larry Holmes
    26. Jack Dempsey
    27. Charley Burley
    28. Sandy Saddler
    29. Terry McGovern
    30. Bernard Hopkins

    Ive probably missed a few I should have included. What do you guys think? Who should I include/remove in your opinion?
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's pretty good. Dempsey and Johnson in a pound for pound list seems borderline insanity to me but there's not a lot more to gripe about here.

    Some other **** includes Lopez above Burley (Wtf) and Ray Leonard's rating - i'm curious as to what criteria could see Lopez above Leonard?

    No Packey McFarland? The way your list is going i'd say he's a must rank.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    How the **** is Ricardo Lope that high? Jofre is too high if you're not even mentioning Harada, who shits all over Lopez, Dempsey, Johnson, Holmes.

    Leonard a bit too low IMO. But really not a bad list at all. A lot of same names to mine and no I can't be arsed to repost mine, sorry.
     
  5. frankenfrank

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    (another) **** list .
    probably popular because of it .
    I C U took d orriray/lufcrazy route , enjoy it
    d yellows r 2 high
    d reds r way 2 high

    Archie Wright is somewhere between red and yellow , I still put him in d red .
    Charles & WSJ may belong in d red as well .
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Also, Gavilan, Rodriguez and Napoles are all top 30 calibre IMO. There'd be space for 'em when you shop Holmes, Dempsey and Johnson. If you're even picking them for being great champions then where is Joe Louis? Who has way more 'P4P' credentials than those guys as well IMO.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    Also, Hearns @ 19 (above Leonard?! :huh) yet no Canzoneri, Ross or McLarnin?
     
  8. McGrain

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    This is a compliment.
     
  9. MrBumboclart

    MrBumboclart Active Member Full Member

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    ****, i knew i'd missed a few out, scratch this list completely haha
     
  10. MrBumboclart

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    coming from frankenfrank it is, normally if he calls it **** then you're on the right track
     
  11. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    d lufcrazy/orriray track , this forum has plenty of your type , just like **** in d sewer , only more of it .

    U even hatched out of d same origin of it .
     
  12. McGrain

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    :lol:

    Out of interest Frank, where do you have Charles?
     
  13. frankenfrank

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    i could even c him swapped with WSJ , but neither belongs in d top 10 p4p of all times . top 20 below 10 is d biggest stretch in favor of both of them which is still bearable .


    Charles got his A$$ KOd more than 1ce , but WSJ once got his S KOd , and also stopped by Maxim and enjoyed a far bigger size advantage over his opponents and a weaker opposition overall (LaMotta , Graziano , old Armstrong being some of his notable opponents)
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Nah, as I said above, not bad at all AND who am I to say my opinion is 'better'/more valid than your own, explain your criteria and prove me wrong :good
     
  15. MrBumboclart

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    Here, a slightly changed version....

    01 Harry Greb
    02 Sugar Ray Robinson
    03 Henry Armstrong
    04 Muhammad Ali
    05 Sam Langford
    06 Ezzard Charles
    07 Roberto Duran
    08 Bob Fitzsimmons
    09 Willie Pep
    10 Joe Louis
    11 Benny Leonard
    12 Joe Gans
    13 Jack Johnson
    14 Mickey Walker (always want to put him higher but he always looks out of place)
    15 Archie Moore
    16 Pernell Whitaker
    17 Carlos Monzon
    18 Barney Ross
    19 Joe Walcott (Barbados)
    20 Sugar Ray Leonard
    21 Gene Tunney
    22 Charley Burley (should Burley be higher than Tunney?)
    23 Tommy Hearns
    24 Tony Canzoneri (should Canzoneri be over Hearns?)
    25 Julio Cesar Chavez Sr
    26 Larry Holmes
    27 Jimmy McLarnin
    28 Bernard Hopkins
    29 Sandy Saddler
    30 Stanley Ketchel (always have trouble thinking where to rank ol' Stan)