Evaluating the Gennady Golovkin Situation & Initial Thoughts on Floyd vs Pacquiao

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  1. Super Hans

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    You're not a million miles of actually, my hairline hasn't receded as much and I have a better chin. The celeb I've been told I look like the most is Prince William, although I can't see it myself.
     
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  2. CST80

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    My sister would love you then, she has a thing for the Royal Family and loves Prince William, but she's pretty old.
     
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  3. Super Hans

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    Anyway thought on the video:

    - I agree that Golovkin beats everyone at 160

    - I don't want to see Cotto in the ring with him, I already know what would happen there and it isn't a pleasant ending for Cotto.

    - I also agree that people shouldn't assume, that Golovkin dominates 168. 160 to 168 is one of the biggest jumps in boxing, and I know Golovkin's better than Abraham but neither were particularly big middleweights and Abraham's power didn't carry at all. And if Golovkin's doesn't it would be interesting to see how his skills hold up against someone like Froch, who wouldn't be in survival mode.

    - On the flip side of the coin, he may be the same beast moving up, and if that is the case I wouldn't write him off against Ward. He showed against Murray that he can cut off the ring (which we knew) and you can't shut him off with holding, clinching and grappling.
     
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  4. Rumsfeld

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    Fair points all, although if Cotto isn't going to vacate (which seems likely) then I would definitely want to see him fight Golovkin. If he vacates, fair play. But he should be doing that now. Cotto is going to target a non-middleweight, and try and avoid Golovkin. His team is smart enough to try and wait for the dust to settle on Floyd-Pac and to milk the belt as long as he can until then without facing GGG.

    And you're correct. GGG could have success at 168. I didn't properly articulate my fondness of his skills and ring smarts, so it's not beyond the realm of reason. I just don't see him having success with Ward.

    Thanks for watching and commenting!

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  5. Super Hans

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    Forgot to say, regarding Mayweather v Pacquiao:

    - I agree 2010 was when it should've happened, probably when Pacquiao faced Margarito. Mosley was still a player at welter before Mayweather beat him, and thus in late 10, the Mayweather v Pacquiao winner would've been the undoubted number 1 at 147.

    -The fact they have made us wait 5 years, is why I don't really care anymore and I'm not sure if it will be on Sky PPV over here but I'm not getting it unless they put something for the hardcore fans that have put up with their **** for this long. Like Roman Gonzalez v Juan Estrada II, or Lomachenko v Walters.

    Those fights probably wouldn't command much more money than Bey v Vazquez or Vargas v Allakherdiev, wouldn't stink out the arena or leave you feeling short changed if the main event sucks. I don't see why the shouldn't either because introducing such talents to such a big audience could make a new HBO or Showtime star, and Pacquiao & Mayweather won't be around for much longer.
     
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  6. Serge

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    I haven't seen the video yet but I've noticed that you've received 3 thumbs up and 2 down. I'm going to log into my Youtube account right now to even it up. :D
     
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  7. Serge

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    Done. I'll give the video a watch now.
     
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  8. Monogamous STD

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    I'd like to watch this but I'm getting that borked message. Can you post the regular link in text? I'll watch it then.
     
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  9. kirk

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    Craaaazzzy!

    Great job Rummy :deal

    Man this is the first time Ive seen you outside of a pic here n there in over 10 years!

    I like it man, Ill be subscribing :good
     
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  10. Serge

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    You mean like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzY9UgLd-L8
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

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    :lol:
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    :lol:

    Thanks kirk!
     
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  13. Xelloss

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    Good video :good
     
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  14. CST80

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    I finally watched the whole thing and I agree with you mostly on the GGG evaluation. While I'm a huge EE supporter, remember we didn't see eye to eye about the BHop-Sergey match, I've always thought GGG got a little too much hype and I still do a little, and while I completely agree with the Froch Ward assessment, I don't think he can beat either one of them, they are next level for a reason and I think a few others at SMW would trouble him as well. But I also think he could possibly have troubles with a few Middleweights, while he is the best in the division, the competition he's fought aren't huge punchers when they step up, Stevens has always had a hard time stopping legit comp, Proksa is not a hard hitter, Ishida, Macklin and Geale are fairly featherfisted and Rosado has never stopped a top tier opponent, Murray doesn't have very much pop and never has, Rubio is the hardest hitter he's fought and I'm pretty sure he voluntarily took a dive, because I don't think he thought it was worth it. Also his power falls off against top guys like Pavlik and Chavez as well.

    So I don't think we've seen his chin truly tested yet, and based on his competition thusfar, its Sturm level which is decent, but what happens when he does finally get hit with a decent shot from someone who can really punch maybe a hard as he does tags him with something big, and he isn't that hard to hit. Lemieux fought Rosado intelligently but if he and GGG fight, I doubt David will employ the same strategy, he'll go out disregard his stamina issues guns blazing early trying to push GGG back and if he gives it all he's got in the first 2 or 3 rounds, he could easily hit GGG with something relatively big, Khytrov is a hell of a puncher and Lee is too. So its not out of the realm of possibility that we could see someone stop him, because I don't think his chin has really been tested. So some MW's may have a chance albeit a slim one.

    Also Chavez may not be as easy to beat if its like the dedicated CW Chavez that fought Lee as most think it'll be.

    As far as Pac May go I have no idea who'll win I lean Pacquiao based on activity alone.
     
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  15. TheDarkLord

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    It's nice that your carers let you use a camera.
     
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