Evaluating the Gennady Golovkin Situation & Initial Thoughts on Floyd vs Pacquiao

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks.

    Great points, alll!

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    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I like that, too. Keep the pattern in play long enough, and the big fights will happen. Rather than avoid him, the temptation to be the one to slay the unslayable will become a lure to many would-be dodgers at present.
     
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  3. Rumsfeld

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    I don't see this as a 50-50 fight, and in fact, as I stated, I wouldn't favor GGG over Froch even just now. I see Ward as a huge favorite, and I agree with a lot of your assessment, but I strongly disagree on giving the advantage in footwork and accuracy to GGG. Without delving deeply, I'm not seeing it at all. GGG does have good feet, but I think you're grossly underestimating Ward in the feet department, which in turn has a direct correlation with accuracy. Froch said it best when he said Ward is a master of distance, either too close or too far to find cleanly. The reason for that stems from his amazing feet and tremendous natural instincts for optimal range.

    Ergo, he knows where he needs to be, and has an amazing ability to be there, knowing when to move, how to move, and the speed at which to move. GGG has nothing on Ward's feet, despite elite level footwork fundamentals in his own right.

    I suppose Ward may have slipped in that realm, but until I see said slippage, I'm apt to assume otherwise.

    Show me Froch-GGG, and maybe I'd be more fired-up to see it. Or GGG against any super middle, as I maintain everything will be watered down, not just power and speed.

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  4. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    12 rounds is a long time for Ward not to get rocked. what is Ward going to do, punch Triple G?? horrible idea. seems to make him angry. :mad:
     
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Some of this: :grouphug and some of this: :fight and he's got the decision in the bag. :good
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Have you seen Ward fight?

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  7. Rumsfeld

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
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  8. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    a bit, when he wasn't clinching or headbutting. i'm not enthralled by the super six as most are.
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Fair enough. :good

    I think Ward uses his superior feet, size, and quickness, to walk GGG into left hooks, while slipping out of harm's way, resetting GGG, repeat cycle. I can also envision him overpowering GGG in tight quarters, and frustrating him. I imagine GGG will look more physically exhausted than we've ever seen him by the final 3rd of a fight with Ward.

    As good as GGG is at cutting the ring off, Ward is equally good at disrupting rhythm, resetting fighters, and setting traps.
     
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  10. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i don't think Triple G necessarily fights Ward in his typical style. he may keep Ward at the end of his jab and wait to tag him with a right hand. he only rolls over all these other guys because it's easy and has no fear of what's coming back.
     
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  11. Hammer Hands

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    OK first off, size perspective: from what google tells me about unofficial fight weights (so it can't possibly be wrong :tong)

    Froch on fight night has been 172
    Ward is 175 - 176
    Golovkin is 170-172

    A big deciding factor for me is that Ward relies HEAVILY on his ability to jump on people to tie them up, it isn't an illegal clinch, but its in your face block your arms and rabbit punch you type grappling.

    GGG HURTS people when they do this, he is very strong himself but its the dynamite 6" shots that are going to effect Ward. Ward is a self preservationist, and he won't be jumping golovkin to get hit in the head with hammer shots.

    Many GGG fights start with the other guy trying to tie up, but after two rounds it stops completely. I would love to see if this happens to the best clincher in the game!

    You are right that Ward has great footwork also, especially fighting backwards. But if GGG catches him with even one special shot - those legs are gone...
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I can understand why you would think that. Some foood for thought though.

    Could Ward beat Golovkin in a fair fight? How would that chin of his hold up if they hired a referee from a neutral country who actually punished him for holding on like an octopus and butting like a billy goat instead of allowing him to get away with it carte blanche all night? His chin is going to be much more vulnerable to getting cracked if he's not allowed to lunge in and grab a hold of Golovkin like a long lost relative all night.

    Can a chin that has been severely dented by the likes of Darnell Boone and Kenny ''The Real Krusher'' Kost withstand Golovkin's bombs?

    1:03 mark (Boone KD followed him getting badly hurt by Kost)

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    Ward was one or two shots away from getting put to sleep by Kost there. Golovkin has a staggering 90% KO percentage whereas Kenny's is only a pitiful 33% and that was amassed against a murderer's row like this:

    Julio Cesar Lanzas 0-0-0
    John McLean 0-1-0
    Kwan Manassah 6-19-2
    Marris Virgil 15-60-3
    Jason Dietrich 8-15-0
    Butch Hajicek 0-0-0
    Chad Taylor 0-1-0
    Nathan Martin 7-3-0

    Can someone who gets wobbled and stunned by Arthur Abraham jabs take the bombs of Golovkin? Abe only has like a meager sub 20% KO percentage up at 168 or something.

    10:26, 18:44 and 19:21 marks.

    Look at replay at the 21:07 mark. Ward feels that jab right down to his boots. He needed his best poker face to ride that one out.

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    Abe was more than holding his own for the first few rounds, IMO. I had it at no worse than two a piece going into the 5th round, IIRC, and let's be real here Abe gassed very early in that fight too.

    Look at how he slumps over the ropes at the 28:58 and 32:55 marks of the video. The fight hasn't even reached the halfway mark and he's blowing out of his ass.
     
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  13. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    That's brilliant...yup those jabs hurt ward and it shows.Ward needs show the boxing world some knockouts and excitement before tom loffler agrees to match him.Ward is talented but people have moved on..
     
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  14. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    Wards been playing possum for years now in and out of the ring and the boxing public went asleep.they gave him another chance on his last fight and it was boring again.i honestly feel his time is up and roc nation can't help him.the only way I see to get his fans back is to have 4 fights a year and reconnect with the fans.But but but he won't.
     
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He was definitely feeling those jabs and Abe was holding his own during the early going too. Don't forget that six months earlier Carl Froch had sucked about 40% of Abe's soul through his an*s too and once it's gone it's gone for ever. :deal
     
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