Evander Holyfield 1991 vs Anthony Joshua 2017

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  1. mike foreman

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    Sitting here watching highlights of AJ vs 41year old Wlad and wondered how he'd do vs the Holyfield who beat 42 year old George Foreman.

    AJ would be the bigger man with devastating power, but would be up against Holyfields cast iron jaw. Both are good technicians but IMO Holyfield was the faster puncher and was more adept at throwing combinations.

    He brawled for 12 rounds with Riddick Bowe who was about the size of AJ but Bowe had to fight at an extremely high pace and had to hit Holyfield with everything plus the kitchen sink before he ALMOST knocked Holyfield out.

    On the other hand, AJ seems to be a harder hitter than Bowe IMO and definitely would land more accurately than Foreman.

    I think Holy gets a late round TKO or UD. Your thoughts?
     
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  2. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Disagree here BIG time...lol

    If Wlad klitchko is favored over Holyfield ( he would be) the aggressive power punching monster wgho has only 19 fights would be also bc he can take pressure better than Wlad. Just One differance between Bowe and Joshua is really balance and counter punching. Bowe was HEAVY footed and off balanced when missing over hand power shots.

    Joshua is a very calm calculated killer who can step in at any given moment and throw blitzing explosive punches even at 240 plus. Hes ( better ) than Bowe at inside fighting bc he stands square on target where Bowe is narrow and relies on parrying ,Joshua is a HUGE version of Tyson when counter punches inside are happening ( not as refined) and a bit tall bc hes 6'6 in the style yet extremely effective bc he is a SHW.

    Klitchko at 41 trained as hard as ever bc he knew he had to against such a fighter like joshua ,as a matter of Fact that wlad would have given any HW trouble who couldnt blitz in an aggressive manner like Joshua did and i cant think of any 6'6 fighter with the tools to do that other than Joshua himself besides a prime M.Tyson, had Wlad fought like he did that night.


    Joshua wears out Holyfield who is just to small and best win is Bowe once( under Steward) .Putting this into perspective Joshua is taller stronger/faster and more talented than Bowe was and also o would outweigh bowe by about 20 pounds give or take..........

    joshua takes this i would say by round 8 and i think thats being generous bc Joshua is not even at his peak yet.
     
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  3. Flash24

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    It's a good story, and your opinion. But my opinion is Joshua is a big raw novice who was completely gassed by the 5th rd against a 41 yr old man, and really just got by that 41 yr old who wasn't anything special in his youth. Bowe fought an all out war at a middleweight pace against a still pretty fresh Holyfield. I've seen nothing from Joshua or Wilder that they've done that is remotely close to that. Holyfield in my opinion would take Joshua apart. Bowe when in shape and committed would do the same thing. Beating up an old man and never weres mean absolutely nothing. Again, I hear the size king argument. Joshua wouldn't gotten by a fresher Klieschko. Much less Holyfield or Bowe ready too fight.
     
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  4. PernellSweetPea

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    I think Evander in 1991,,, but, if Joshua has a few more fights and learns how to control the action with his jab and end fights at a distance when in control. not just hurt guys when in a brawl. which makes the fights 50/50,, he would beat Evander on size. he just needs experience now to learn how to use that size.. He can be a real great
     
  5. GALVATRON

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    Joshua was a heavy 250 pounds who never fought an equally imposing 6'6 guy who had a VAST experiance in Klitchko.The only reason why it went past 5 rnds was bc of Joshuas inexperiance to close the show and could have ended the fight earlier had he went after Wlad bc he didnt need to trade jabs with him and wasted energy he didnt need too. ( Wlad himself lost bc he didnt keep in touch with punch counts at times)

    You dont have bad stamina if you knock out someone in the ELEVENTH rnd and never went past 7 and only went 7 rnds twice in 19 fights. Stamina is ACQUIRED through actually fighting not training,bc it comes with experiance in the ring ..it cannot be simulated in a training gym when you fight top level.

    I dont need a story to figure out a huge 6'6 counter puncher who is 5 inches taller and roughly 40 pounds heavier defeats Holyfield. why would i ? And have several fights that show holyfield struggling with far lesser threats than Joshua?

    41 year old Wlad ( the old man you speak of) would be Holyfields BEST opponent he could have faced other than a prime Tyson or Joshua himself and defeat Holy himself so you can throw out the age card here bc Wlad is an elite athlete not some huum bum you wish to articulate here.

    Your entitled to your opinion but i know the smart bet wouldnt be Holyfiled hes not one of those guys you favor in this fight.
     
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  6. ForemanJab

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    Joshua wouldn't be able to cope with the pace, he'd get broken down and stopped eventually.
     
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  7. slash

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    joshua wouldn't have eddie futch in his corner
     
  8. Brixton Bomber

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    Joshua is a better inside fighter than Bowe? I've heard it all now...
     
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  9. Ronnie Raygun

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    Aj may be bigger then Holyfield in size
    But holyfield got a bigger heart
    Evander takes the fight to Aj
    And knock the tea and crumpets out of him
     
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  10. mike foreman

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    I see what you're saying but remember, at 37, a good but past his best version of Holyfield gave Lennox Lewis all he could handle and Lewis was one of, if not the most skilled guy that size ever so far. To the point where many think that a 28 or 30 year old Holyfield with a much higher workrate and better lateral movement may have beaten Lewis. At this point im not willing to refer to Lennox Lewis or an in shape Riddick Bowe as "lesser opponents" when it comes to comparing them to Anthony Joshua.

    Its just the high pace a 1991 Holyfield could set that'd worry me about AJ. I dont know if he could fight at such a high pace. Now if he could well, AJ's chances really increase.
     
  11. mike foreman

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    And you are right about Wlad. That was a bigger win than most give AJ credit for.
     
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  12. Gudetama

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    Holyfield by UD. Holyfield takes the first round easily but then it's very close for the next few, as a few glancing Joshua bombs threaten. But Joshua is made to look a bit lumbering by the later rounds. Maybe 8 rounds to 4 by the final bell. I'll be happy to be proven wrong about Joshua's stamina as his career progresses. Right now I'm not convinced.
     
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  13. mike foreman

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    To me Id give him a much better chance if he had the workrate like Bowe to keep up a high pace fight. IMO AJ hits harder than Bowe.

    The 3 things at issue here is

    A. Could AJ keep up with Holy's workrate
    B. Would his stamina keep him strong down the stretch
    C. Could he land on Holyfield enough to seriously hurt him as Holyfield possessed an ATG chin at heavyweight. Only Bowe stopped him when he was anywhere close to his prime and he had the flu or something in that fight
     
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  14. Brixton Bomber

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    This.

    People are forgetting how awesome Evander's chin was. Absolute granite.
     
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  15. Gudetama

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    So we are thinking roughly the same? It would appear so. I'm a new boy here. But agreement seems to be rare on this forum. So... Cheers!