Evander Holyfield (1996) vs Joe Frazier (1975)

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  1. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    This bout is set for 15 grueling rounds of war in the Heavyweight division, between Evander "The Warrior" Holyfield (from Tyson I) and Smokin' Joe Frazier (from Ali III). What would be the outcome of this brutal, highly exciting match-up? Peak for Peak, I favour Frazier 55-60% as I've always thought that the best way to beat Holyfield would be a focus on a devastating, debilitating body attack and Frazier brings that like no other fighter in history. However with these versions, I find it considerably more difficult to decide the winner, despite Frazier still packing a relentless, vicious body attack.

    While these are two huge fights and 99% of members here will have seen them, I've decided to post Holyfield-Tyson I and Ali-Frazier III, to help people with their decision making.

    Finally - 1996 - Evander Holyfield TKO11 Mike Tyson

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  2. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    The Thrilla in Manila - 1975 - Muhammad Ali TKO14 Joe Frazier.
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  3. duran duran

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  4. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Yeah, this Holyfield was perfect to fight Frazier, he would counter him, muscle him around, even fight a little dirty to block Frazier down.
     
  5. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    I will take Holyfield in 10 to stop Frazier. This version of Holyfield as tommygun711 said would be perfect to beat Frazier. He would muscle Joe around on the inside score with his combos and begin to break joe down in the mid rounds setting him self up to stop Joe in the late rounds. I feel as though this Holyfield by his style and ring savvy at this point though not in his prime might have been the best Holyfield for alot of H2H matchups. He had learned alot at this point, he would not lose a gameplan at this point in his career like he did in the 1st Bowe fight when he became angry and decided to slug with Bowe and that ring knowledge and HIS experience at this point in his career will carry him to victory in this fight.. Holyfield tko 10
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Holyfield UD - he times and counters Frazier, even backs him up, when they brawl its quite an even affair but when Holyfield boxes he wins out
     
  7. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Holyfield UD. Frazier was basically running on fumes. He willed himself to one last great effort, I think in part because of his searing hatred of Ali. He trained like a madman and wanted to make Ali pay for the taunts. Frazier was an emotional guy. Since Holyfield did zero trash-talking Frazier would not have that added incentive to beat him. It would still be a war though and Frazier would be right there almost the whole way until Holyfield's sharp punches start to damage Frazier's face. Frazier had a very bad eye by 1974. It is amazing he was able to brutalize Quarry and Ellis and give Ali such a great fight given this handicap he had to deal with.
     
  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I'm going with Holyfield style-wise. I feel the big strong one that handled Tyson is the better one of choice than even the younger one that was more in his physical prime. The last 3-4 rounds are intriguing to me. Joe will smoke if his eyes aren't close and it will be tough to see if Holyfield can keep up. He seemed tired after the end of the 8th or 9th round I think, then somehow came back on. I feel Frazier has a chance to close the show because of this, but I'm still thinking Evander decisions him. No hesitation if it were a 12 rounder.
     
  9. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Prime for prime this would be a fight I'd love to see. Two similar skill-sets and similar styles going to war. Pick 'em.
     
  10. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Frazier can do this too, you know.
     
  11. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm going with Evander by a decision, but it wouldn't surprise me too much if he stopped Joe late...in a great fight!
     
  12. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holy too skilled in every dept. for Frazier.......... HOLY!

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  13. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Holyfield would muscle Frazier around early but he really didn't have the stamina and punching power to discourage Joe for 15 rounds, especially at this stage of his career. Ali poured volumes of accurate jabs and combinations on Smoking Joe and still was never able to hold him off. This would probably look like Quarry/Frazier I but Evander holds his own for more rounds and sees the final bell, ultimately losing a decision and taking a bad beating to his body the last half of the fight. Tyson was looking for a way out of the Holyfield fight after the first few rounds, this is when Frazier would just now start to warm up, clinches didn't bother him, and he didn't neglect the body.
     
  14. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Frazier might take him late. Holy's stamina was pretty shaky at this stage of his career, and Frazier was always more skilled on the inside than Tyson was, and more consistent/persistent in his attack.
     
  15. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    I still haven't made my mind up, but I think the result will be heavily influenced by Frazier's eye and Holyfield's stamina. As it is clear to see, Holyfield got very tired in the late rounds as he beat up the even more gassed Tyson and what allowed him to continue the brutal beating was his determination driven by Tommy Brook's urging in the corner. Whereas Frazier, has far superior stamina (he does peak for peak too, but here the difference is larger), but only one good eye and his swelling resistance is below average. I think if Frazier can make it to round 9 with good vision then he would take over for the rest of the fight, but if his eye is closed then Holyfield will be the one administering the punishment. With Joe being an aggressive come-forward fighter, he is a perfect target for Evander's intelligent use of his head and if he finds the correct eye socket to target with his clever ramming, then Frazier is in huge trouble.