Evander Holyfield: I'd tear Joe Louis Up

We have numerous examples of fighters losing to old timers from earlier eras
like Mercer losing to Holmes
Moorer losing to Foreman
Quarry losing to Machen

why does this happen over and over again if fighters from earlier eras are outmatched?

 

Those are all more modern boxers, separated onoy by a decade or so.
I'm talking about most guys from the turn of the century and first half of the century.

 

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It's obvious how much they liked each other really

 

yea not good at all not for other years

 

stop acting dumb cause those boxers you named had basic outdated styles like the 50s-30s or before era's nobody looked at larry or machen and thought those styles and skill levels was old

and George style changed he fought better most people know this

none of those guys ever fought like they was in the amateurs like 50s-20s

it is no match in the 90-70s where any middle carder or big name
looks like they could had been fighting in the 50s-20s era none

cause you tried to flip it we said outdated not just a fighter losing to another who was from another era it's not the same thing most people know that without it having to be explained

 

Ok

 

I can't believe anyone is using friendly trash talking as an argument for anything on this board. It's obvious it was all banter between most of these dudes.

 

Or maybe you should educate yourself on the subject, before making a complete and utter fool of yourself.

Cus D'Amato and Eddie Futch both believed that Louis could have beaten Ali.

Muhammad Ali, Teddy Atlas and Mike Tyson all think/thought that Joe was the greatest HW of all time.

If you actually studied his skills, you'd see that on a technical level, he was one of the most skillful HW's of all time.

You can study his short, sharp and concise punches. His technique and his footwork etc. He was a ruthless finisher with great power and combination punching.

On a technical level, he was superior to both Joe Frazier and George Foreman, who found success in the 70's and 90's.

Sure, some guys from different eras would have beaten him.

All fighters can be beaten.

Fights are always decided on how both guys match up stylistically.

If you haven't figured that out yet, go and watch something else.

Not all of the older fighters are better than the modern ones.

Not all of the modern fighters are better than the older ones.

The greatest fighters of all time would all have had success as well as mixed results in any era.

Joe Louis would have had success in both the 70's and 90's.

He was just a great fighter.

He would simply win some and lose some, depending on who he fought.

Ali knocked out Foreman, but struggled three times with a guy who Foreman easily beat.

That's the beauty of the sport.

Styles make fights.

If you seriously think that Louis wasn't great and that he'd have been beaten by all of today's HW's, then I genuinely pity your ignorance.

 

Both are WRONG.

No they did not, at least not all of them.
Ali always considered himself superior and that he'd beat Louis. Tyson thinks the same, though it must be noted that he's an Ali fanboy.
So you're only left with Atlas, who appreciates Louis more cause of his achievements and the impact he had on the sport (the way Louis represented America and the "free world" against the Nazis), but I doubt he believes Louis could beat Ali.

He is very technical from a conventional/textbook point of view, I'll give you that. But he's too flatfoted to stand a chance against modern ATGs, he needs serious adjustments to be successful in this era. His style only works against the slow skilless stiffs from his era.

Many would: Liston, Machen, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Lyle, Holmes, Tyson, Tucker, Spinks, Holyfield, Mercer, Bowe, Lewis, Moorer, the Klitschkos, Fury etc

I have figured that out, but it's funny how you contradict your own assessment/statement, by picking Ali to beat Tyson, despite the fact that Tyson has the stylistic edge.

Depends on what you mean by "success". He wouldn't hold a belt as far as I'm concerned.

 

Fraizer had a basic style you fool.

Again, Louis was technically superior.

 

joe wouldn't made the pros
and yea like I said mutiples he would need to upgrade

he was missing not only foot movement but basic use of the ring which became like a 3d way of moving and he lacked defense

the vid primo showed ali mocking joe cause he seen like I said joe was to outdated names like bert cooper
razor
frank
and other middle carders would beat joe

and why do dummies always say what a man said like some type of god cause words dont matter

words cant change in ring skill or can they say who would win

 

Yeah, when exactly? Give me exact period when he wouldn't be able to hold a belt.

You embarrass yourself more than ever here.

 

This is a bizarre thread.

Still waiting for someone to mention a modern amateur who'd beat Joe Louis.

 

Did this guy really like the post where he’s called an “uneducated troll”?

 

English isn't that hard, you know?