Evander Holyfield: I'd tear Joe Louis Up

English isn't that hard, you know?

 

It doesn’t matter when these guys fought.

The ONLY thing that’s relevant is how great they were, and how they’d have matched up stylistically with whichever hypothetical opponent that you’re looking at.

Fighters don’t keep getting better and better with every decade that goes by.

Great fighters are great fighters, which could fight in any era.

Boxing ebbs and flows, and has done for decades.

The gap between Louis’ prime and the 70’s, was 30-40 years.

The gap between Duran and Leonard’s prime and TODAY, is 40 years.

What you’re doing, is looking at the time gap instead of looking at their skills.

Saying that Louis couldn’t have competed against anybody who came after him, is as stupid as saying that Leonard and Duran couldn’t compete with any modern fighters.

 

White Bomber,

First of all, if you want to debate in a proper manner, then I’ll gladly oblige you. That’s what the forum’s for. But If you’re going to be silly, then I’m not going to waste my time.

So I’ll give you the choice one last time.

Hopefully, you’ll join us all for a proper debate.

Regarding the opinion of Futch and Cus, we obviously don’t know for sure. And we won’t ever know. But whether you think Ali would have beaten him or not, you cannot say that Louis wasn’t a great HW, or that he wasn’t immensely skilled.

IMHO, I’ve always believed that Ali would have beaten Louis. So I actually agree with you and disagree with Futch and Cus. But again, what can’t be argued, is that Joe Louis was a great HW. And not just for his time, but a great HW across any era.

Regarding who he could and couldn’t beat, again, styles make fights.

You simply cannot tell me for sure that Louis would have had zero success in the 70’s, 90’s and present day, when we can see that he is superior to other guys who fought in those eras, and that he was superior to some of the guys who both troubled and beat the guys from those eras.

Start a thread and ask who had more skill between Louis and Frazier. I promise you that 90% would pick Louis. And they’d be right.

Joe Frazier was a great HW. But he was small with a basic style. Yet he was Kryptonite for Ali, who most people consider the HW GOAT.

Joe Frazier was 5’10, with a 73” reach, yet gave Ali absolute hell in 3 fights, which included beating him in the FOTC.

So you’re not going to tell us that Louis’ size, skill, style and power, couldn’t compete with any HW’s who all came after him.

I’m not only left with Atlas. I merely provided you with just a few examples. I could give you a huge list of ATG trainers and fighters who think that Joe Louis was a great HW, and one of the greatest of all time. Again, both Cus and Futch think that Ali would have lost to Louis. And if you don’t agree, that’s fine. Again, I don’t either. But the fact is, Eddie Futch and Cus D’Amato both believed that Louis was a great HW, with great skills. As did Manny Steward and Angelo Dundee. That is 4 ATG trainers, one of whom was Ali’s trainer.

All fighters have strengths and weaknesses, which are exploited by their stylistic nemesis.

Joe Louis would have mixed results in any era, including today.

This is where you really let yourself down.

Have you really thought carefully about these hypothetical matches?

Have you really thought carefully about how their styles would have meshed?

Have you really thought carefully about who those guys had trouble with and lost to?

Yes, Joe didn’t have fast feet.

Yes, he was beaten.

He wasn’t invincible.

Guess what?

Neither were the guys in your above list.


How many examples shall I give you?


Ali: Was given hell by a small and basic Joe Frazier in 3 fights.

Tyson: Was beaten by James Douglas and Evander Holyfield before he was shot.

Lewis: Was knocked out by Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman, and he barely beat Ray Mercer.

Bowe: Was beaten by Evander and was getting beaten up by Golota, even before Golota blew the win by going crazy.

Mercer: Lost to a 40 odd year old Holmes.

Foreman: Lost to Young, before losing to Morrison in his comeback.

Wladimir K: Was bombed out THREE times in his 20’s, went life and death with a BASIC Sam Peter whilst in his PRIME, and he hit the floor a huge 12/13 times during his career.

Now I could go on and on.

I could give you MANY MORE examples.

Now swap over all of those opponents who troubled and beat those above guys, with Joe Louis, and then come back and tell me that Louis COULDN’T have beaten ANY of them.

You CAN’T!

I’ve never given my opinion on that fight.

That’s your opinion. But lesser fighters have held them all throughout the history of the sport.

 

It could be that dude is simply another member taking on a different persona here, having a laugh by pretending to be...uh,

an uneducated troll lol!

If so, fine with me. At best I still am entertained by the fool.

 

70s and 90s

 

joe can beat Frazier George ron but stuggled with people who fought like amateurs these trolls are a joke

 

You mean the 1970s when Leon Spinks won the title?
You mean the 1990s when 50 years old Foreman was the lineal HW champion? Or Olivier McCall?
You mean the 1990s when fighters like Bruce Seldon, Henry Akinwande, Herbie Hide or Frank Bruno held belts?

You are delusional.

 

from legend poster magoo see how he says how those dudes joe fought was trash like I said and he said how George moved better like I said even then joe

cause the way I take it the trolls saying joe means that the people he fought could make pro to and they couldnt

 

I fear that you are not winning hearts and minds with your approach!

 

I have to admit, janitor, the above post from moneythewhatever was his most deliriously hilarious ever. And yeah, part of the charm was its utter incomprehensibility.

 

You’re all over the place.

One moment you’re praising a video of Ali’s comments, yet at the same time, you’re also saying that words spoken don’t matter.

Ha!

So which is it, genius?

Louis would need an upgrade?

Again, a 5’10” Frazier, who had a small 73” reach and a BASIC style, BEAT Ali, caused him hell in 3 fights, and also had huge success in the 70’s.

A basic Foreman had huge success in both the 70’s and 90’s.

You should have stopped posting 2 days ago.

This is humiliating.

 

Go and look at everybody who held a belt in the 70’s and 90’s.

Go and look at them closely, and then come back and tell us that Louis couldn’t have held one.

 

Every fighter you and White Bomber have mentioned, ALSO struggled with lesser fighters.

And who did Louis fight who fought like amateurs?

You can’t even answer that question without plucking a name from Boxrec, because you have zero knowledge of the man’s career.

 

I felt that.

Ha!

This should be the final nail in the coffin for these fools.

 

The people who agree with you = Legends.

The people who don’t agree with you = Trolls.

Have you got your new school uniform ironed for when you go back in a few weeks?